elfman

Yes, and this doesn’t help your case, if you go along with Octang’s assessment of the law enforcement community, which I didn’t see anybody challenge yesterday.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=375

If the “biggest criminal gang out there” support the second amendment you could argue logically that peaceful, law–abiding citizens would therefore think twice about preserving it

anotherlimey

lol, I guess so...

paul1968mcr

"picking holes in other peoples arguments"???????????

WTF! Dude ur livin' in cloud cuckoo land - You've ignored all my responses!

I'm gonna keep reading this thread, I love the stories from his past, think he might have Walter Mitty sydrome

Though I think you should do the decent thing and abandon any desire to own a nasty .22 rifle, that is in the wrong hands a lethal weapon!

exvj

Paul, I think you are addressing me ? I quite like being called 'dude' - images of slick jackets and nice hats

I don't ignore anyone deliberately - put a point to me and I will tell you what I think

I have a character flaw in that when someone calls me names or swears at me I tend to slap back - so as long as you don't do that, we can play with the subject, and I will convince you about guns and then the jobs a good 'un

ps I got my firearms certificate in 1963 and I haven't killed anyone I care to talk about so far

- ok I am a poor shot

Scouse Express

Using the same theory that any Cop who is issued a Taser, is required to be zapped by one, before he is given it - I think that any citizen who needs to own a gun should be shot by one first.

Anyone agree????


Jim.

exvj

There are bad police in every country including the UK.
I was in Leeds City Police in 1968 and they had a scheme going whereby all the car crashes were given to a certain towing company and the police got a backhander in cash at the back of the garage. I saw it and I refused to join in. The rest of my shift vandalised my private car on night shift and smeared it with human excreta
I resigned and joined the West Yorkshire Police and they were virtually all fine people. The Leeds thing went bad and some police were jailed - Leeds got shut down and combined with West Yorkshire
Only bad thing I saw in the next 5 years was when I was a detective and I had to slip the expenses clerk some money to get paid same week instead of end of the month. Oh and the Superintendent changed a guys file so it read that he had passed the promotion exams - fellow freemasons you see. I passed the sergeant's exam then came 4th in the UK in the Inspector's exam - I bet the poster who thinks I am a Walter Mitty is totally convinced now - chuckle

So the Police in the US will be the same - within an hour of entering Washington for the first time, I got a speeding ticket and the Officer was a really nice kid and you can just tell when they are not baddies

I prefer to give the Police the benefit of the doubt until I know different - my dad used to say you can see their character on their faces - I have found that to be true so many times.

There will be roughnecks who get sadistic pleasure out of killing people and I bet they savour the idea - but most of em dont want to kill or be killed and would not vote for handing weapons out to everyone as a 'right'

anotherlimey

Giving back handers to towing companies... well it almost compares to the 4 down here who were charged with running drugs, or the ones in NY who were charged with killing people for the mafia, or the ones in Texas fining Black people illegally.

exvj

is that a curry house ?

exvj

Well the Americans can either leave their society and their constution 'as is' and live like this for the next x hundred years, or do something about it

More guns for more people doesn't seem to be working - it's a failure and everyone in the whole wide world knows it - not that anyone in America cares

Mitt Romney says that the US is 'The finest country that has ever existed in the history of the world' - so there we have it - mission accomplished, no need to change anything

Think I will buy myself some body armour and a home depot flat pack bunker

Bob

Any summary of the guff in this thread, about another 10 pages since I last checked in?

Guns are bad, don't curtail peoples freedoms and people are trolls pretty much the summary, again?

anotherlimey

Same old thing Bob...

anotherlimey

I don't think corrupt policing has much to do with the constitution, except that the corrupt police are breaking the laws in it.

exvj

Yes that's about right - did you miss the bit where I accidentally bought $38k of Rio Tinto (RTP) while answering a post ?

aaargghh

I sold it within seconds and made 250 dollars - phew

All in all, not a bad day and I think the gun debate is now over and I have convinced all the billy the kids and Bonnie and Clydes and they are turning their guns in right now - that's why it's quiet

exvj

All the US Police will be shot by the militias as incited by article no2, and then I will be proved wrong about the value of guns
The militias will then move on to gays/lezzies/immigrants/commies/makers of japanese sedans/ people without goatee beards or red pickups etc and once they have been cleaned up, the US will be at the forefront of the wholesome moral universe once more

Bring on the future !

Steerpike

I don't think the two are contradictory. You can support gun ownership (which I'm now reluctantly accepting) while also favoring stricter controls (which I am strongly in favor of).

Check out this page - pretty bland presentation, 'survey of surveys' type of thing. Looks pretty fair to me.

Some sample figures:

"(in favor of) Preventing all Americans from owning guns"
For - 13%; Against: 87%

"Requiring gun owners to register their guns with the local government"
For - 79%; Against: 20%