the Scottish independence issue
#541
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Well it dämn well should be. I don't know of any other country that is allowed to enter 4 teams, two of which from "countries" which don't have a professional league! I suspect that the only reason other countries tolerate it is that they know that a UK team would be much more of a threat than the four teams that the UK currently enters.
#543
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I'm not sure which post of mine you think was "tongue in cheek", but just because I tend to be sarcastic doesn't mean I'm not serious. I often use facetious examples, and if you're referring to my "independence for Yorkshire" post, then I did so to make the point that independence for Scotland is every bit as absurd. That you can't see that isn't surprising, but it is still disturbing that you, and about one quarter of the Scottish electorate, have been so badly misled.
#544
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(Before you make a crack at my province of origin, we've at least been to the later stages of the tournament. Twice ...)
#546
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we are today.
Nobody has answered my earlier post, what happens to the union flag.
No my soothing doesnt go that far, Ive had no flag vision or apparation, thats why
No scottish independence. EGG ON MY FACE, no chance, just scotch eggs, which I will gobble up with pleasure.
Plus there will be a pro-independence politician that will turn.
#547
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Then they could get to the quarter finals of the world cup, without winning a single game on the way (matches won on penalties count as a draw, for any bitched off Micks lurking around ...)
#548
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My sayer has never been so soothed, and its the witchcraft that made us the kingdom
we are today.
Nobody has answered my earlier post, what happens to the union flag.
No my soothing doesnt go that far, Ive had no flag vision or apparation, thats why
No scottish independence. EGG ON MY FACE, no chance, just scotch eggs, which I will gobble up with pleasure.
Plus there will be a pro-independence politician that will turn.
we are today.
Nobody has answered my earlier post, what happens to the union flag.
No my soothing doesnt go that far, Ive had no flag vision or apparation, thats why
No scottish independence. EGG ON MY FACE, no chance, just scotch eggs, which I will gobble up with pleasure.
Plus there will be a pro-independence politician that will turn.
#549
Re: the Scottish independence issue
Keep up, it was addressed earlier in the thread.
Cross of St George, and presenting my neighbour with a st andrews, after she glasgow kissed her garden post.
#550
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
At its simplest, by buying pounds in the ordinary commercial foreign exchange market for whatever Scotland has that it can sell.
They could so-called dollarise their money, (that does not mean use dollars) it just means using the money of another country. Ecuador does that, the US dollar is simply used in Ecuador.
The disadvantage of dollarising for any country, is that national money in circulation is, in effect, an interest-free loan from the people to the country. So Scotland would be, in effect, giving the UK an interest-free loan equivalent to the amount of money in circulation.
Some place, like Isle of Man and Gibraltar issue their own pounds which is exchanged, on demand, at 1 for 1 (par). That partly fixes the issue, though in practice both currencies circulate as a mixture.
But, and this is the rub, Scotland would not be allowed into the EU without adopting the Euro. That is the rule and Spain will veto any request for a waiver.
If Scotland cannot be in the EU because it does not want to adopt the Euro then the other option is to try to join EFTA, with Norway and Iceland. (Although Iceland is negotiating to leave EFTA and join EU at some point in the future). As an EFTA member Scotland would have its own currency, the Scottish pound.
They could so-called dollarise their money, (that does not mean use dollars) it just means using the money of another country. Ecuador does that, the US dollar is simply used in Ecuador.
The disadvantage of dollarising for any country, is that national money in circulation is, in effect, an interest-free loan from the people to the country. So Scotland would be, in effect, giving the UK an interest-free loan equivalent to the amount of money in circulation.
Some place, like Isle of Man and Gibraltar issue their own pounds which is exchanged, on demand, at 1 for 1 (par). That partly fixes the issue, though in practice both currencies circulate as a mixture.
But, and this is the rub, Scotland would not be allowed into the EU without adopting the Euro. That is the rule and Spain will veto any request for a waiver.
If Scotland cannot be in the EU because it does not want to adopt the Euro then the other option is to try to join EFTA, with Norway and Iceland. (Although Iceland is negotiating to leave EFTA and join EU at some point in the future). As an EFTA member Scotland would have its own currency, the Scottish pound.
#551
Re: the Scottish independence issue
At its simplest, by buying pounds in the ordinary commercial foreign exchange market for whatever Scotland has that it can sell.
They could so-called dollarise their money, (that does not mean use dollars) it just means using the money of another country. Ecuador does that, the US dollar is simply used in Ecuador.
The disadvantage of dollarising for any country, is that national money in circulation is, in effect, an interest-free loan from the people to the country. So Scotland would be, in effect, giving the UK an interest-free loan equivalent to the amount of money in circulation.
Some place, like Isle of Man and Gibraltar issue their own pounds which is exchanged, on demand, at 1 for 1 (par). That partly fixes the issue, though in practice both currencies circulate as a mixture.
But, and this is the rub, Scotland would not be allowed into the EU without adopting the Euro. That is the rule and Spain will veto any request for a waiver.
If Scotland cannot be in the EU because it does not want to adopt the Euro then the other option is to try to join EFTA, with Norway and Iceland. (Although Iceland is negotiating to leave EFTA and join EU at some point in the future). As an EFTA member Scotland would have its own currency, the Scottish pound.
They could so-called dollarise their money, (that does not mean use dollars) it just means using the money of another country. Ecuador does that, the US dollar is simply used in Ecuador.
The disadvantage of dollarising for any country, is that national money in circulation is, in effect, an interest-free loan from the people to the country. So Scotland would be, in effect, giving the UK an interest-free loan equivalent to the amount of money in circulation.
Some place, like Isle of Man and Gibraltar issue their own pounds which is exchanged, on demand, at 1 for 1 (par). That partly fixes the issue, though in practice both currencies circulate as a mixture.
But, and this is the rub, Scotland would not be allowed into the EU without adopting the Euro. That is the rule and Spain will veto any request for a waiver.
If Scotland cannot be in the EU because it does not want to adopt the Euro then the other option is to try to join EFTA, with Norway and Iceland. (Although Iceland is negotiating to leave EFTA and join EU at some point in the future). As an EFTA member Scotland would have its own currency, the Scottish pound.
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#552
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
We could petition Washington to become a new state in the Union, like Sicily did in 1945. And if they refuse we could sign up with the Confederacy.
#553
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I've just read the white paper. It's a load of half baked predictions and assumptions.
#555
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Even within the full report, if you seek out sections on particular aspects, the detailed rationale of how things will work doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
To an extent, some of this is understandable - there are many unknowns about how things would work following independence. However, the breezy "It'll all be fine" attitude and complete unwillingness to accept that anything might be less than perfect is unsettling.