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Old Sep 12th 2014, 9:03 pm
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'whoosh' once again, I'm afraid!
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The use of 'slightly more seriously...' should confirm that I was not being serious at all about the first paragraph, and only slightly serious about the second. I too hate 'text speak' and never use it. But I do find words like 'Analogue' to be unnecessarily long and awkward now that I've got used to 'Analog'. On the other hand, 'lift' does well in place of 'elevator'.
That's a relief

I'm not bothered about superfluous letters, though, that's just what I'm used to.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 9:36 pm
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Is it normal in referundums that you can't vote unless you are in the country? I know in general elections you can do a postal vote. So for the referendum if you are scottish and living in england you are not able to vote. If you are an EU citizen living / studying in Scotland you can vote.

This seems to swing in the Yes campaign favour.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by unique_boy View Post
Is it normal in referundums that you can't vote unless you are in the country? I know in general elections you can do a postal vote. So for the referendum if you are scottish and living in england you are not able to vote. If you are an EU citizen living / studying in Scotland you can vote.

This seems to swing in the Yes campaign favour.
There is no definitive record of who is "Scottish", therefore any decision of who to allowed to vote, and who to excluded is necessarily arbitrary.

Allowing Scots resident in England to vote would likely strengthen the "No" vote, but if the Scots are anything like the Irish, then including anyone in the US with sufficiently recent ancestry in Scotland would likely tip the balance towards the "Yes" camp. There is also the matter of something like 20% of the electorate in Scotland are "immigrants" from the rest of the UK IIRC, and that likely represents a solid bedrock of "No" votes that will in a large majority of cases never vote "Yes". So there are arguments both ways.
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Indeed. He is starting to achieve legendary status.

PS they started hoovering loudly in the staff pub, so back and watching Jonathan Creek
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 9:58 pm
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That's still on?
He was good in this film.

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It's an old one.

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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
There is no definitive record of who is "Scottish", therefore any decision of who to allowed to vote, and who to excluded is necessarily arbitrary.
I read the other day they are claiming 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote for a total of around 4.2 million.
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I read the other day they are claiming 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote for a total of around 4.2 million.
Another one of your posts that has nothing to do with my post which you quoted.

My post addressed the question of (the lack of a register of) "Scottish" voters outside of Scotland. Your "reply" addresses the question of how many eligible adults and 16-17 year olds in Scotland have registered to vote.
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Too much indiscriminate quoting...
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
Another one of your posts that has nothing to do with my post which you quoted.

My post addressed the question of (the lack of a register of) "Scottish" voters outside of Scotland. Your "reply" addresses the question of how many eligible adults and 16-17 year olds in Scotland have registered to vote.
As arbitrary as the eligibility criteria is as you suggest, the claim is that 97% of those eligible have registered. If you can't accept that as a representative enfranchisement tough.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by unique_boy View Post

This seems to swing in the Yes campaign favour.
The voting intention pendulum is now gradually swinging more in the direction of the NO to Independence camp as voting day creeps ever nearer and harsh reality begins to nag at many voters' awareness.

If the Scottish majority votes YES the outcome will be FINAL.....there will be no chance whatsoever of a "rethink" if things start to go pear shaped in an independent Scotland so no sad plea for a sorry Scottish re-admittance to the fold...once out, out to good.

I am a Scotsman now on the voting register here in England...in the Cheltenham Parliamentary constituency so I have absolutely no say in what happens back home in Scotland - I could well end up being in a sort of no man's land.....a foreigner living in a foreign country with no real desire to go back to my new found independent Salmond's dreamland of a People's Socialist Republic of Scotland or at best a form of Commonwealth whatever.....no longer part of the UK and more than likely no longer part of the EU either according to informed sources.....

...perhaps no longer one of the Queen's subjects either with a homeland which will end up being deprived to so very many familiar things I grew up with...

...the £ Sterling, the Royal Mail, BT, even the HQ of the Royal Bank of Scotland for goodness sake......and a variety of other prominent business organisations all of which would have closed down and buggered off down to England in order to carry on their business ventures with brand new local employees...English...leaving many Scots heading towards jobcentres and social welfare offices no longer financed from London......

...and were I go back home to Edinburgh I would be shocked beyond measure to find that ALL the prices in familiar stores such as Marks and Spencer, Homebase, Tesco, Boots, B & Q, W H Smith, Littlewoods, John Lewis, Next, Asda, Sainsbury's and all other retail edstablishments of alll kinds we are used to seeing on our streets in what has been up until now at least the UK are one hell of a lot HIGHER than they will be down here in Cheltenham and everywhere else in England (and Wales too..well, until they go independent as well at some time in the foreseeable! )

That is will be the price of independence - something which Comrade Alex Salmond, resolutely refuses to acknowledge.

We had a very close friend have dinner with us here at our home last Tuesday evening who works for a certain UK Government department and he told us that contingency plans have long since prepared by which every single UK (British) military establishment currently located in Scotland and employing very large numbers of local (Scottish) people would be closed down altogether over a short period of time following a possible Scottish vote in favour of independence and all of which would be re-located in England (or Wales presumably) inevitably resulting widespread unemployment in affected parts of Scotland.

One of the prices of Comrade Salmond's new found paradise on earth.
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As arbitrary as the eligibility criteria is as you suggest, the claim is that 97% of those eligible have registered. If you can't accept that as a representative enfranchisement tough.
But your 97% doesn't include any of those "Scots" resident outside of Scotland that UniqueBoy was talking about in his post that I quoted.
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Who is gonna defend hadrians wall, once Independence has been declared, the Picts will again
raid over the borders, nicking the stones on the way back to build their houses, kidnapping northhumberland and cumbrian wenches .Can England now have Berwick- on- tweed back.
also return them to the English football league,or will they claim anonyminity like the Crimea.
To stop any future border wars, can we have a strip of land bordering Tyneside and call it the Gazza-strip.

ps, who is gonna defend us midlanders, we have alot of Scottish 5th columnists hiding among
the locals, claiming their rights for anonyminity within our beautiful rolling hills, claiming historical rights, in help buidling the steelindustry and supporting the coal and hosiery workforces.
Stole our women, drank us dry of any decent goldwatches, and took over the pub entertainment
with their anecdotes of home while helping to hold up the bars on cold dreary evenings.

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Old Sep 12th 2014, 11:27 pm
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Who is gonna defend hadrians wall, once Independence has been declared, the Picts will again raid over the borders, .....
Er Hadrian's Wall is well inside England, by upto 60 miles IIRC!
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 11:46 pm
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Er Hadrian's Wall is well inside England, by upto 60 miles IIRC!
Didnt stop the scots before, give em a kilt on a frosty day, those 60 miles will soon
be ran down and overwhelmed...
If they can toss a caber and put a shot, those stones would be no object.
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