scrubbedexpat091

I am surprised he hasn't been banned yet.....

The Mirror

I started in Chicago... Owned a house free and clear in Hoffman Estates well before I took that job. I could set my clock by the Honolulu nonstop every day- Back then (in the 80's) the engines were weak and it would come over the house full throttle at about 700 feet, at 11 am everyday. I'm a pilot and I loved the Flight Simulator- I downloaded the first 747 ever delivered to United and half the time when I tried to take it off it crashed- One day my dad came over (747 captain) and I mentioned that to him.... He said "Its because the engines were half of what they are now, we'd have to wait on the runway until the train on York road went by because we were afraid we'd hit it".. I know those tracks are about a quarter mile from the end of the runway...

I had a daughter in 1980...When she was little we'd send up candles in little gondolas attached to helium balloons..I got big balloons and they'd go straight up, and on a dark night you could see them for an hour.. I bought a new clothes dryer and it came in a big box, so I got this idea to cut out a silhouette of a man, tie it to a bunch of balloons and let it go... I did it and we let it go in the back yard.. It started heading east, it was climbing at such a slow rate that it barely got over the trees and we never saw it again. The next day i'm reading the Sun Times and I see a little article headlined "Northwest Airline 727 takes evasive action to avoid parachutist" lol .... reading more it said that the aircraft behind the Northwest flight reported that it wasn't a parachutist, it was a man dangling beneath a bundle of balloons....

The Mirror

Highest disability rates in the country

scrubbedexpat091

Union employees at Hawaiian have been issued notice about possible lay offs, 2,000 notices, 35% of its flight attendants and 25% of its pilots having received notices.

This doesn't mean they will be laying off 2,000 people involuntarily, they are looking for people to take early retirements and voluntary separations first but probably have to issue the warnings to stay within the law in the event they do need to do involuntary lay offs.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...ayoff-notices/

Cuts to non-union work groups also possible, so far 8% have left the company voluntarily.

Airline has seen its revenue drop more than 90% but says they are not near bankruptcy.

caretaker

2 minutes until the predicted 6 minute blackout as Dragon re-enters, "See you on the other side."

Pulaski

Wanna see what a DC10 can do when released from concerns about scaring the bejeepers out of passengers?

civilservant

Ok.... that was cool

audio

Great clip, thanks for posting.

Pity the 10 was nicknamed the Death Cruiser

civilservant

Well they were know for the cargo door opening in flight, which is kinda what you want when you're trying to deliver fire retardant to an area

Pulaski

Yeah, I get it, that you were making a joke, but I assume that it has the same sort of organ pipe drain system that is fitted to the 747 tanker.

civilservant

I'm sure. Actually the joke was in pretty poor taste actually, people did after all die because of said door.

audio

I haven’t been keeping up to date with 8303 but any news from Blancolirio etc?

Pulaski

There's a load of different videos from dozens of channels, but they seem to be rehashing the same story at the moment and Blancoliro hasn't posted anything specific to the crash since June 25 when he uploaded a couple of videos on the preliminary report.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...giFfBc-7HdvT6N

audio

Ok thanks.

I expect it will come out that the crew were not focused on their arrival and missed their decent point.

Instead of loosing face, the captain thought he could make it. Perhaps the PNF was unsure, but the captain was in charge and some these guys won’t be told.

IMO, zero CRM and airmanship was the main cause. All they had to do was a very simple descending orbit (360) on final and 97 more souls would be here today.

Pulaski

I think that it is already well known as the cockpit voice recording had the pilot and co-pilot chatting about the coronavirus pandemic even while the plane was off-track for its descent into Karachi
I think that there is a lot of truth in that, that too much importance was placed on seniority, "losing face", and "respect". This has been a theme in crashes of other of aircraft from Asian and developing countries. As has been noted previously ATC in this case was rather non-commital when as I understand it, in North America and Europe, if a plane had been as far off the appropriate descent path as PIA 8303 was it would have been told, in no uncertain terms, to "go around".