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Pulaski Nov 6th 2015 8:52 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11788166)
...... Every item used was legal that day to be on board......

That's my point, it shouldn't have been legal to take such things on board. The regs changed before any flights took off after 9/11. Now you are apparently advocating not tightening regulations for employees until there has been one "issue".

markonline1 Nov 6th 2015 9:57 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11788125)
Yeah "the 9/11 approach" - don't fix the problem until at least one catastrophe has occurred, is a great way to manage airport security! :(

Bingo!


Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 11788135)
The US had the very stupid attitude of not checking staff going airside for years, fortunately they have wised up. Rigorous checking of staff at Heathrow foiled an attempt on an aircraft departing from there. To say it hasn't been an issue in the US is beyond belief. One you cannot know what has happened at any airport in the US, and 2 it left a gaping hole ready to be exploited by those that wanted to. I don't doubt for a minute there are people working at US airport who have extreme views. There certainly were at Heathrow.

Have they though? I know of at least 2 airports that don't have permanent staff checks. Mine. Granted it's regional, but that shouldn't matter, and one of Chicago's major airports. The TSA do spot checks, but that's it. Also, you're right about LHR staff with extreme views. Some of them, worryingly, were collegues of mine when I worked insecurity. We also had 2 WDF staff go to Israel to be suicide bombers.

lansbury Nov 6th 2015 10:10 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by markonline1 (Post 11788198)

Have they though? I know of at least 2 airports that don't have permanent staff checks. Mine. Granted it's regional, but that shouldn't matter, and one of Chicago's major airports. The TSA do spot checks, but that's it. Also, you're right about LHR staff with extreme views. Some of them, worryingly, were collegues of mine when I worked insecurity. We also had 2 WDF staff go to Israel to be suicide bombers.

Well they have wised up so yes things are better than they were but not as they should be. Even in the UK there wasn't checks at all airports, Northolt civil terminal being one that I knew off. I use to clear flights in and out of there and they were only subject to random checks and then usually by SB, or RAF staff. One day the US will get hit again and it will probably be staff in it somewhere.

One of your colleagues I knew very well. He was considered one of the most serious threats to UK aviation at that time, and BAA would not take his airside pass away as it was only intelligence and he hadn't done anything. That level of stupidity is on both sides of the pond.

markonline1 Nov 6th 2015 10:12 am

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That's BAA all over LOL.

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 6th 2015 11:02 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11788175)
That's my point, it shouldn't have been legal to take such things on board. The regs changed before any flights took off after 9/11. Now you are apparently advocating not tightening regulations for employees until there has been one "issue".

I am sure they would have been banned had the authorities though a group of people would use box cutters to overtake a plane, its not always possible to regulate everything in advance.


Originally Posted by markonline1 (Post 11788198)
Bingo!



Have they though? I know of at least 2 airports that don't have permanent staff checks. Mine. Granted it's regional, but that shouldn't matter, and one of Chicago's major airports. The TSA do spot checks, but that's it. Also, you're right about LHR staff with extreme views. Some of them, worryingly, were collegues of mine when I worked insecurity. We also had 2 WDF staff go to Israel to be suicide bombers.

We have a 2 tier system in Canada, work at a major airport like Vancouver the government does a background check that takes months and months sometimes, luckily people can work before the background comes back provided they have an escort, but smaller airports with commercial service, just a basic police record check done at the local police station.

While we have a federal agency CATSA they don't employ the guards, everything is contracted out to private companies like Garda and others, although they all wear a standardized uniform across the country to give the illusion they work for CATSA.

Pulaski Nov 6th 2015 2:13 pm

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11788229)
I am sure they would have been banned had the authorities though a group of people would use box cutters to overtake a plane, its not always possible to regulate everything in advance. ......

Agreed, but you still shouldn't leave gaping gaps in the security system, and giving anyone an exemption from airside screening is going to create a risk. If you exempt large numbers of relatively low level workers the risk that, because of anti-discrimination policies, you will get an employee who is vulnerable to radicalization is fairly high, never mind the apparently smaller risk of conversion and radicalization of a white employee.

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 7th 2015 2:38 am

Re: Planespotting
 
Seems Seattle's airport is growing faster then they can expand. They will start to use buses to get people to remote area's for their flights.



Exclusive: Space-squeezed Sea-Tac to use buses to get passengers to planes - Puget Sound Business Journal

Pulaski Nov 7th 2015 2:42 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11788519)
Seems Seattle's airport is growing faster then they can expand. They will start to use buses to get people to remote area's ....

The LGW-CLT British Airways flight used to arrive at/ leave from LGW at a remote parking bay, with passengers bussed to/from it.

AlphaTangoMike Nov 17th 2015 7:11 am

Re: Planespotting
 
Drunk passenger on a BA flight tries to open the door during flight.

Intoxicated Passenger Tries to Open Exit Door Mid-Flight, Airline Says - ABC News

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 18th 2015 6:50 am

Re: Planespotting
 
ISIS claims to have brought the Russian plane in Egypt down with a soda can bomb.

Islamic State group releases picture of bomb it says downed Russian plane over Egypt | CTV News

sir_eccles Nov 18th 2015 7:33 am

Re: Planespotting
 
I'm kind of intrigued what the pineapple soda is like.

Nutek Nov 18th 2015 7:54 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11797369)
I'm kind of intrigued what the pineapple soda is like.

Flat, I would imagine.

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 18th 2015 8:53 am

Re: Planespotting
 
I wonder if government's will snap judgement and ban airlines from serving soda and other non-clear drinks in containers that are not clear, leaving mostly just water to serve?

lansbury Nov 18th 2015 9:18 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11797420)
I wonder if government's will snap judgement and ban airlines from serving soda and other non-clear drinks in containers that are not clear, leaving mostly just water to serve?

or vodka or gin with tonic

Pulaski Nov 18th 2015 9:23 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11797420)
I wonder if government's will snap judgement and ban airlines from serving soda and other non-clear drinks in containers that are not clear, leaving mostly just water to serve?

I bought a glass bottle of root beer "air side" yesterday, so a handy source of a knife substitute for anyone looking for such a thing to take on board. :rolleyes:


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