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Small town + disliked family + winnable multi million dollar lawsuit for past police incompetence = you're ****ed, mate :(

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No one really knows how many innocent people have been incarcerated.


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I have watched the first 4 hours of this but really can't bring myself to watch another 6 hours. It is soooo slooowww. The first 4 hours could have easily been squeezed into 1 hour if they would stick to the facts and leave out all of the 'filler' material.
A five minute clip of a bond hearing consisted of 4:30 of extended, silent shots of various people followed by 30 seconds of the judge offering his decision. There are also many recorded phone conversations which added little, if anything, to the case.

So, I reverted to the google (and there's a lot of stuff out there).

While I accept the original rape conviction was a serious miscarriage of justice, I'm not convinced, from the evidence from the documentary, that he is innocent of the murder.

Now I know that he is innocent until proven guilty so the reasonable doubt means he should be acquitted.

However, reading information elsewhere, there is a lot of strong evidence that the documentary conveniently left out which IMHO proves his guilt.

A comment from the documentary makers was "we can't possibly include every detail". Well, apparently, they can't include important details but CAN include several hours of "filler" material.

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For those who watched the program and are interested in hearing the evidence that was left out, iHeart radio has made some podcasts.

http://www.iheart.com/show/139-Rebut...&cid=hyperlink

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I am watching a show about this case right now.... The show is called I didn't do it, and it profiles various cases where people have been convicted and later found to be innocent and the trials and troubles it takes to get judges and the system to listen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Elkins

Was convicted of murder of his mother in law and rape and assault of his niece.

He was convicted originally solely on testimony of the 6 year old, who states prosecutors pressured her to say he did it.

First appealed denied.

Family raised the funds to have DNA from the scene tested (apparently the police didn't?) and the DNA at the scene did not match, appealed on that, and judge denied the appeal.

His wife at the time conducted an investigation on her own and identified Earl Mann the neighbor of the lady killed, a convicted sex offender who was serving time at the same prison. Elkin's the man convicted in error was able to collect a cigarette butt from Earl Mann and had it DNA tested.

DNA from Earl Mann matched the DNA found at the scene.


But even after the DNA excluded Elkins, the DA still refused to dismiss the charges, and Earl Mann was arrested on unrelated charges and asked the arresting officer why he had not be charged for the murder of the lady who was killed yet. The arresting officer forwarded that statement to the detectives who forwarded it to the DA, but the DA failed to disclose that statement to the defense.



I am starting to think the system is more corrupt then we want to think.

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My thoughts exactly.

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I think discussing guilt/non guilt is missing the point of the documentary, which is more concerned by the problems of the process. (Though I may have been unduly influenced by the film makers in having that view)

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That's absolutely the point of the documentary. From how he should never have been arrested for the initial sexual assault in the 80s, all the way to the final conviction for a murder that his connection to was dodgy at best.

Even if he did do it, there was reasonable doubt. If there is reasonable doubt in a case, and this one was dripping with it, the jury should not convict, as seven of the twelve initially leaned in the first vote. Never mind the absolute shambles that was Brendan Dassey's trial. That poor boy would have admitted to killing JFK, Jimmy Hoffa and Shergar if he only thought he'd be allowed to go back to school to finish his project.

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Another good one is "The Staircase"

'The Staircase' should be your next 'Making A Murderer' obsession

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Making a murderer is a complete master piece. Just in the middle and i am totally glued to it.
**********Spoiler Alert**********
hahah just kidding

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This video is well worth watching. I've sent it around to family and friends.

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The scary thing is that a similar thing happened to me and my wife by a small town sheriff. We were accused of a felony for raising a credit card dispute and ended up having to pay the sheriff money. The attorneys we saw just said the police can do what they like. We have never visited that city again since. There is no one overlooking the police in this country.

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It's insane, isn't it? We have been trying to get our son to watch this show, particularly the treatment of Brendan Dassey, just so he knows exactly the kind of shit he can get landed in if the police take any kind of a dislike to him.

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I finished the show last night and was dissapointed with the ending. The system seems to be too full of egotistical, power happy uneducated people. There is no one to complain to about police misconduct

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It does.

His lawyers were somewhat of a breath of fresh air. That one guy was having something of an existential crisis at the end though, it was quite eye opening to see how involved they became in that case as it went on.