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Leon_87 May 8th 2012 1:13 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Airborne_Dan (Post 10046014)
Hi All,
I'm looking into immigrating with my family to Canada but have a daughter on the verge of being diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum disorder. So that probably puts an end to that. But as a back up plan I would consider moving to the USA. Either Seattle, Billingham or somewhere near the BC border. Can anyone tell me if the USA is likely to allow a family with a child of this diagnosis entry to the USA. Is there anyone who has has a similar experience. I would be very grateful for any insight.

I have lived in 5 different European states in my life and moving around was so easy (probably the most annoying thing was getting a domestic SIM card for the phone hihi :D) that it actually is surprising to start writing and reading this forum and finding out that immigrating to other places is that hard..

I guess you have your good reasons for willing to move to Canada and/or the US, but don't forget your precious EU passport opens you the gates to relocation in any European state, some of which are amazing, all having fantastic health care public systems, and none will refuse you on the grounds of your daughter having especial needs. Maybe not a Plan B, but could make a Plan C :)

scrubbedexpat099 May 8th 2012 3:51 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 
Like Greece?

Leon_87 May 8th 2012 3:55 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 10048305)
Like Greece?

Greece or any other EU/EEA state for that matter could not legally refuse a fellow European citizen on the grounds that one of them has a permanent handicap or disease (as long as medical treatment is not the primary purpose of the relocation).

So yes, even Greece.

scrubbedexpat099 May 8th 2012 3:58 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

all having fantastic health care public systems
?

Leon_87 May 8th 2012 4:24 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 
The EU passport the person who started this thread has gives him/her right of abode in several territories comprising over 500 million people. Obviously some states, regions, cities or even areas of a city have better health care systems than some others. Nevertheless, as a rule, public health systems in Europe are rather very good, if not the best of the world. I don't think I'm revealing any major secret here.

If you have fun at pointing the exceptions for whatever reason, I won't be the one not allowing you to exercise your hobby.

The person who started this thread seems to be willing to relocate and, based on the obstacles he's facing due to health reasons I just wanted to remind him that the situation closer to where he/she is may not be that exotic as moving to Canada but definitely a comfortable one with plenty a choices and zero obstacles related to the current health situation of his/her relative. Again, I don't see the point in having people denigrate what was a genuine honest suggestion. European countries do have, in general, good public health systems but that doesn't mean other people in other countries should react badly when hearing that.


Ps: have you got any proof to openly say that Greek health system is bad?

Nutmegger May 8th 2012 4:33 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 
[QUOTE=Leon_87;10048367 Ps: have you got any proof to openly say that Greek health system is bad? [/QUOTE]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/wo...pagewanted=all

helpmeplease123 May 8th 2012 6:52 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048367)
Ps: have you got any proof to openly say that Greek health system is bad?

What, really? :blink:

Just type in greek healthcare system into google and you'll have all the "proof" you need...first result: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nk-catastrophe

Leon_87 May 8th 2012 8:31 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by helpmeplease123 (Post 10048653)
What, really? :blink:

Just type in greek healthcare system into google and you'll have all the "proof" you need...first result: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nk-catastrophe

Probably a few millions in America would kill for that healthcare system.

If you are happy believing everyone else around you is worse and you are just the best, suit yourself.

Orangepants May 8th 2012 9:02 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048367)
exotic as moving to Canada

Golly I cant think of anywhere less exotic! I had to relocate there from Cayman for three months after Hurricane Ivan and I can tell you it is not exotic! Spent nine months in Halkidiki, Greece - Gorgeous!

helpmeplease123 May 8th 2012 9:40 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048844)
Probably a few millions in America would kill for that healthcare system.

If you are happy believing everyone else around you is worse and you are just the best, suit yourself.

Eh? When did I say I was the best...?
I'm honestly baffled by your response - it's along the lines of "I know you are but what am I" and yet your username suggests you're 24/25.

Greece are facing some serious economic problems right now, how are you not aware of this? Their healthcare system is in a terrible state, right along with the rest of their economy. Millions of American would NOT kill for it (unless maybe you're referring to illegal immigrants) and emigrating to Greece at this moment in time is a ridiculous idea (including the fact that Greek people currently are supporting a right wing anti-immigration party in droves).

moneypenny20 May 8th 2012 11:10 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048367)
Nevertheless, as a rule, public health systems in Europe are rather very good, if not the best of the world. I don't think I'm revealing any major secret here.

If you have fun at pointing the exceptions for whatever reason, I won't be the one not allowing you to exercise your hobby.

The person who started this thread seems to be willing to relocate and, based on the obstacles he's facing due to health reasons I just wanted to remind him that the situation closer to where he/she is may not be that exotic as moving to Canada but definitely a comfortable one with plenty a choices and zero obstacles related to the current health situation of his/her relative. Again, I don't see the point in having people denigrate what was a genuine honest suggestion. European countries do have, in general, good public health systems but that doesn't mean other people in other countries should react badly when hearing that.


Ps: have you got any proof to openly say that Greek health system is bad?

Well my sister lived in Greece for 20 years, she's a really nice, very understanding positive person. She tells me the Greek 'Health Service' is complete shite and I believe her.


Out of interest, the highlighted parts of your posts,


Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048034)
The EU passport the person who started this thread has gives him/her right of abode in several territories comprising over 500 million people. Obviously some states, regions, cities or even areas of a city have better health care systems than some others.

and


Originally Posted by Leon_87 (Post 10048034)
I have lived in 5 different European states in my life and moving around

you mention states and territories and regions. I have no idea what or where these are. The Europe I know is made up of Countries. I'm sure the French, Italians etc would love to hear that you consider them states of Europe. :rolleyes:

MoshiMoshi May 8th 2012 8:47 pm

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10049080)
and you mention states and territories and regions. I have no idea what or where these are. The Europe I know is made up of Countries. I'm sure the French, Italians etc would love to hear that you consider them states of Europe. :rolleyes:

'State' can mean either province/region (e.g. California) or nation/government. In England, it's more typically used for nation/government. Hence state schools, nanny state, state pension. It's perfectly fine to refer to the member states of the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_...European_Union

moneypenny20 May 8th 2012 10:00 pm

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by MoshiMoshi (Post 10049744)
'State' can mean either province/region (e.g. California) or nation/government. In England, it's more typically used for nation/government. Hence state schools, nanny state, state pension. It's perfectly fine to refer to the member states of the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_...European_Union

I know what a State is thanks ;) but as for the EU States, it's definitely not fine and I should imagine it would be the same for the majority of residents in the separate countries who happen to be members of the EU. Ask a Frenchman if he lives in the country of France or a state of the EU, I'm fairly sure I know what his answer would be.

ian-mstm May 9th 2012 12:04 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by Orangepants (Post 10048884)
I cant think of anywhere less exotic! I had to relocate there from Cayman for three months after Hurricane Ivan and I can tell you it is not exotic!

Canada is larger than the US... where were you exactly? Some parts of Canada are, admittedly, less exotic than other parts.

Ian

MoshiMoshi May 9th 2012 12:06 am

Re: Immigration with autism
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10049080)
you mention states and territories and regions. I have no idea what or where these are.


Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10049861)
I know what a State is thanks ;)

Sorry for getting that confused.


Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10049861)
Ask a Frenchman if he lives in the country of France or a state of the EU, I'm fairly sure I know what his answer would be.

It doesn't really matter what his answer would be; France is still a member state of the EU. If it's just a question of attitude, I don't know why you had to requote the other poster as if he'd said the most ridiculous, uninformed thing in the world.


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