Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Dec 12th 2012 | 9:29 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Not sure we really learn anything, but maybe the demise of the working mans club is to blame.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010...y-middle-class
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...-class-sitcoms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010...y-middle-class
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...-class-sitcoms
Dec 12th 2012 | 9:46 am
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I was familiar with some of the 'who' aspect - just not the 'taking over' aspect..
But I went to 2 universities, including a 'top 10' one, so I am wondering if I am 'double elite' status and if this will get me in to the BA lunge at the airport?
But I went to 2 universities, including a 'top 10' one, so I am wondering if I am 'double elite' status and if this will get me in to the BA lunge at the airport?
Dec 12th 2012 | 10:29 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
The problem is, of course, that few genuine British working class comedians appear on television any more because the commissioning editors and top-level management all come from the same university-elite clique.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth.
Armando Iannucci ?
And Clive Anderson.
Jimmy Carr.
David Mitchell.
Marcus Brigstock.
Michael Mcintyre.
The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless.
Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen.
Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today but you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave.Eventually the suits in charge got cold feet.
Rowan Atkinson is the only internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes.
All the others I've mentioned are rank dross.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth.
Armando Iannucci ?
And Clive Anderson.
Jimmy Carr.
David Mitchell.
Marcus Brigstock.
Michael Mcintyre.
The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless.
Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen.
Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today but you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave.Eventually the suits in charge got cold feet.
Rowan Atkinson is the only internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes.
All the others I've mentioned are rank dross.
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Dec 12th 2012 | 10:38 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
The problem is, of course, that few genuine British working class comedians appear on television any more because the commissioning editors and top-level management all come from the same university-elite clique.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth.
Armando Iannucci ?
And Clive Anderson.
Jimmy Carr.
David Mitchell.
Marcus Brigstock.
Michael Mcintyre.
The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless.
Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen.
Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today and you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave.
One exception, in fact the only exception, is Rowan Atkinson - the only genuinely internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes.
All the others I've mentioned are rank dross.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth.
Armando Iannucci ?
And Clive Anderson.
Jimmy Carr.
David Mitchell.
Marcus Brigstock.
Michael Mcintyre.
The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless.
Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen.
Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today and you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave.
One exception, in fact the only exception, is Rowan Atkinson - the only genuinely internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes.
All the others I've mentioned are rank dross.
Talk about chip on your shoulder!!
Sacha Baren Cohen- British Jew, went to Cambridge.
Did you know that all the so-called working class English comedians were closet queers and slept with the elite producers inorder to get famous? Yeah, they all sucked cock!
Dec 12th 2012 | 10:41 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Pray, what is the BA lunge at the airport?
Sounds fascinating
Dec 12th 2012 | 10:48 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Tonight on Radio 4 was the banner comedy show - Mark Steel's In Town. He rejected a move to television with that show as well. He's about as non Oxbridge set as you can get.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years.
Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again.
It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years.
Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again.
It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class.
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Dec 15th 2012 | 8:27 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
No, we don't celebrate failure, we just don't take ourselves too seriously and aren't afraid to take the piss or to make our televison and comedy more like real life. Failure is just a fact of life. You don't have to embrace it, but you should accept it. American televison and humour is very much about painting an illusion; the dream, a big house, wife & kids, popularity. Real life isn't like that.
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Dec 15th 2012 | 8:35 am
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No, we don't celebrate failure, we just don't take ourselves too seriously and aren't afraid to take the piss or to make our televison and comedy more like real life. Failure is just a fact of life. You don't have to embrace it, but you should accept it. American televison and humour is very much about painting an illusion; the dream, a big house, wife & kids, popularity. Real life isn't like that.
I'm living the dream
Dec 15th 2012 | 11:26 am
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Tonight on Radio 4 was the banner comedy show - Mark Steel's In Town. He rejected a move to television with that show as well. He's about as non Oxbridge set as you can get.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years.
Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again.
It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years.
Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again.
It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class.
That will be the same kind of comedian I guess, as Adam Sandler...
Funniest guy I've seen on stage last is Reginald D Hunter. You can't put all of that on TV, the intelligentsia would have a fit...
Dec 15th 2012 | 12:11 pm
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Dec 15th 2012 | 3:37 pm
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Dec 15th 2012 | 11:57 pm
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Thanks to the OP for posting - great insights as always.
