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london_calling Jan 5th 2017 2:07 am

Circumcision
 
A friend on FB just posted about watching her baby get the snip, how horrific it was for her, how he cried etc. The 30+ comments that followed were along the lines of "poor you!", "brave little boy" etc.

I'd forgotten this barbaric practice is considered normal here. Is there any reason beyond a few lines in the Bible?

Anian Jan 5th 2017 2:10 am

Re: Circumcision
 
Mr Kellogg, the cornflakes inventor, thought that circumcision discouraged masturbation so he promoted it widely and it caught on.

If you live in a desert wearing no more than a dress than I can see how sand under the foreskin is not desirable, but with regular washing and inventions such as underwear it is not necessary at all even in the desert states.

mrken30 Jan 5th 2017 5:44 am

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It gives doctors extra income, so it is pushed in some hospitals. There is a lot of literature around in some hospitals stating the benefits.

moneypenny20 Jan 5th 2017 11:52 am

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It's an obscene practice. There's a massive (understandable) outcry over female circumcision but for some moronic reason it's apparently ok to do it to males. If God is so great and created man with a dick with a foreskin why do religious ****wits feel it's his will to chop it off?

PetrifiedExPat Jan 5th 2017 12:08 pm

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I (UK citizen) am in an awkward position. I am thoroughly against the practice, due to my links to the medical field and view on basic human rights. My wife (US citizen) has two sisters who routinely circumcised their kids, as is 'normal' here. She is adamant its fine and the child (just to be clear, son) will be bullied if we do not do it.

I do not want a huge Thanksgiving style row with her family over the matter, either. Not sure how to proceed. I feel I am fighting against a cultural norm. here, one that has no scientific reason (apart form reduced male to female HIV transmission rates, according to published literature).

Wintersong Jan 5th 2017 12:17 pm

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The 'he'll be bullied...' argument is, to my mind, by far the weakest argument out there, especially given that US circumcision rates are only slightly more than 50%. Depending where you live, an uncircumcised penis could well be in the majority in the locker room.

Stick to your guns - please. I could never contemplate putting a child of mine through that horrendous procedure without any medical indication.

Wintersong Jan 5th 2017 12:19 pm

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Originally Posted by london_calling (Post 12143325)
A friend on FB just posted about watching her baby get the snip, how horrific it was for her, how he cried etc. The 30+ comments that followed were along the lines of "poor you!", "brave little boy" etc.

I'd forgotten this barbaric practice is considered normal here. Is there any reason beyond a few lines in the Bible?

Masturbation.

And then they spent the next hundred years trying to find scientific evidence to support the practice. If you throw enough darts, some are bound to stick...

Dorothy Jan 5th 2017 2:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12143869)
The 'he'll be bullied...' argument is, to my mind, by far the weakest argument out there, especially given that US circumcision rates are only slightly more than 50%. Depending where you live, an uncircumcised penis could well be in the majority in the locker room.

Stick to your guns - please. I could never contemplate putting a child of mine through that horrendous procedure without any medical indication.

Besides, if you've got a bunch of people looking at your penis in the locker room then you've got bigger problems than whether you have a foreskin or not.

kimilseung Jan 5th 2017 2:20 pm

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Its shocking. The best argument is that it will stop bullying, which is no better than blaming victims of bullying. When do these kids get to look? I dont think many schools have sports where they change in front of each other or take showers together any more.

steveq Jan 5th 2017 2:22 pm

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Originally Posted by PetrifiedExPat (Post 12143861)
I do not want a huge Thanksgiving style row with her family over the matter, either. Not sure how to proceed. I feel I am fighting against a cultural norm. here, one that has no scientific reason (apart form reduced male to female HIV transmission rates, according to published literature).

Its her son's own knob, if, at some time, he wants or needs to be circumcised, it must be his decision, and his alone. I think there are some emergency conditions where circumcision is necessary, but I bet they are very rare these days, with better hygiene.

For what its worth, my sister (USC in Fl) point blank refused to let my nephew be mutilated - to some consternation from her obstetrician, who tried to push the procedure on them.

kodokan Jan 5th 2017 2:42 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12143923)
Its shocking. The best argument is that it will stop bullying, which is no better than blaming victims of bullying. When do these kids get to look? I dont think many schools have sports where they change in front of each other or take showers together any more.

It's never once come up for my son as an issue, in two states (one of which was Arizona and included regular swimming classes as part of PE). Plus they don't even seem to do the sort of low grade, tiresome bullying that went on in his Swiss school - grabbing someone's hat and tossing it around the classroom out of their reach, say - and they are squirmingly prudish, so I can't possibly imagine them doing the sort of bullying that starts with admission of having looked closely at another boy's penis.

PetrifiedExPat Jan 5th 2017 4:08 pm

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Originally Posted by steveq (Post 12143924)
Its her son's own knob, if, at some time, he wants or needs to be circumcised, it must be his decision, and his alone. I think there are some emergency conditions where circumcision is necessary, but I bet they are very rare these days, with better hygiene.

For what its worth, my sister (USC in Fl) point blank refused to let my nephew be mutilated - to some consternation from her obstetrician, who tried to push the procedure on them.

Agree, apart from that its our son. When he is 18 they can chose to follow or practice anything they want. Actually if I'm honest, from when they are 16.

Beaverstate Jan 5th 2017 7:41 pm

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Oh boy! This again.

Nutek Jan 5th 2017 11:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 12144021)
Oh boy! This again.

What? Not up for a good lets-mutilate-the-kid thread? ;)

Disgusting practice.

jambey2510 Jan 6th 2017 2:47 am

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If female genital mutilation is frowned upon, then so should male genital mutilation.

Whenever my OH and I have children together, if we have sons, that's not happening, by a long shot.

I'd even go as far to say that the foreskin will be more beneficial for my would be son a few years down the line when he becomes of age and becomes sexually active... ;)


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