Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Dec 23rd 2015, 1:20 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Mothers dead? Sick? Don't want to go? None of those would cause an issue in a non-muslim household....
Mothers just going by their culture and allowing the father sto go ahead and have the holiday while mothers stay at home?
Who knows? Not a reason for refusal though, surely.
Mothers just going by their culture and allowing the father sto go ahead and have the holiday while mothers stay at home?
Who knows? Not a reason for refusal though, surely.
Dec 23rd 2015, 3:40 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
The only other nugget I have found is that the Brothers are Pakistani's, brought to the UK as children, and that one seems to have been arrested in Israel.
They obviously failed the passenger check list, we may find out why, we may not. Obviously impacts many.
Pretty sure ESTA and your Passport do not show religion so that is no doubt a red herring.
They obviously failed the passenger check list, we may find out why, we may not. Obviously impacts many.
Pretty sure ESTA and your Passport do not show religion so that is no doubt a red herring.
The BBC report says he was denied entry to Israel, not arrested.
Dec 23rd 2015, 5:08 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Just curious, but why should Mr Cameron do anything?
Dec 23rd 2015, 5:12 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
He can't do anything regarding US immigration policy, especially due to the nature of the Visa Waiver Program, but it still was a pretty shitty way for this to unfold. It should have been denied at ESTA, not at the airport.
Dec 23rd 2015, 5:16 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Passports show names. Muslims have Islamic names. Possibly not an issue, but not because of omission of religion marker.
Dec 23rd 2015, 6:53 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
There is always more to it...
UK Muslims not allowed on plane - CNN.com
UK Muslims not allowed on plane - CNN.com
However, a check by CNN of traveling family members on UK Electoral Roll shows an email address associated with 18-year-old Hamza Mahmoud that links to a suspicious Facebook page.
The page appears to belong to a Birmingham resident with a similar name, whose occupation is listed as Supervisor at Taliban and Leader at al-Qaeda.
When asked by reporters about the Facebook link, the family said the email listed on the electoral roll is incorrect, missing some characters, and that the son lives in London, not Birmingham.
Tariq Mahmoud confirmed his son Hamza was part of the trip, and he told CNN the family had no knowledge of the Facebook page until asked about it by a reporter.
Probably a completely different Hamza Mahmoud but DHS doesn't need to prove anything.
The page appears to belong to a Birmingham resident with a similar name, whose occupation is listed as Supervisor at Taliban and Leader at al-Qaeda.
When asked by reporters about the Facebook link, the family said the email listed on the electoral roll is incorrect, missing some characters, and that the son lives in London, not Birmingham.
Tariq Mahmoud confirmed his son Hamza was part of the trip, and he told CNN the family had no knowledge of the Facebook page until asked about it by a reporter.
Dec 23rd 2015, 7:28 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
There is always more to it...
UK Muslims not allowed on plane - CNN.com
UK Muslims not allowed on plane - CNN.com
However, a check by CNN of traveling family members on UK Electoral Roll shows an email address associated with 18-year-old Hamza Mahmoud that links to a suspicious Facebook page.
The page appears to belong to a Birmingham resident with a similar name, whose occupation is listed as Supervisor at Taliban and Leader at al-Qaeda.
When asked by reporters about the Facebook link, the family said the email listed on the electoral roll is incorrect, missing some characters, and that the son lives in London, not Birmingham.
Tariq Mahmoud confirmed his son Hamza was part of the trip, and he told CNN the family had no knowledge of the Facebook page until asked about it by a reporter.
Probably a completely different Hamza Mahmoud but DHS doesn't need to prove anything.The page appears to belong to a Birmingham resident with a similar name, whose occupation is listed as Supervisor at Taliban and Leader at al-Qaeda.
When asked by reporters about the Facebook link, the family said the email listed on the electoral roll is incorrect, missing some characters, and that the son lives in London, not Birmingham.
Tariq Mahmoud confirmed his son Hamza was part of the trip, and he told CNN the family had no knowledge of the Facebook page until asked about it by a reporter.
Just waiting for the apologies from the usual suspects.
Dec 23rd 2015, 9:12 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
I didn't think for one moment the family had been stopped from traveling just because they were Muslims. There had to be more to it, and sure enough, links to this dodgy Facebook page have emerged. The father was on Sky News earlier saying his son's Facebook page had been hacked and they knew nothing about it. Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaah. There was talk on Sky News that the family had also previously been denied access to travel to Israel in the past. Hmmmmmm. I'm not saying this is a family of terrorists, and although there may or may not be a fire, there definitely seems to be some smoke!!
Dec 23rd 2015, 9:23 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
IMO it is most likely that someone lied on their ESTA and it was discovered on scrubbing the passenger manifest. As we know from multiple visa-related questions over the years, lies on ESTA, or prior to that, on the landing card, are not uncommon.
Dec 23rd 2015, 9:33 pm
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Interestingly though, I actually have the same name as a reasonably high ranking UDA 'commander' but it's never caused an issue this far
Someone aught to tell Erik Schrody (aka Everlast.Whitey Ford) or Jermaine Jackson. Or all the millions of other Muslims without "Islamic" names.
Dec 23rd 2015, 9:42 pm
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Dec 24th 2015, 12:08 am
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Re: Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
Jermaine Jackson is now Muhammad Abdul Aziz. Old name still used for commercial purposes.
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