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Old Nov 4th 2018, 2:53 am
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Well each one would contribute on average an extra 12 metric tonnes of CO2, so multiply that by your chosen number, quite an extra addition.
I think they would breathe in any country though, wouldn't they

I don't think gases observe state boundaries for very long. Bloody illegal immigrant gases.
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Old Nov 4th 2018, 3:13 am
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I think they would breathe in any country though, wouldn't they

I don't think gases observe state boundaries for very long. Bloody illegal immigrant gases.
I do believe they would be breathing.

Greenhouses gases obviously affect the whole world.
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Old Nov 4th 2018, 8:34 am
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If it's a gift, matey, they had better start making it free to get into.
Don't you think you would be happier back in the UK? I'm not saying that to be cheeky. But with the level of disdain you seem to have for the United States and its people with remarks like that, well, life is too short to willingly choose to live in a country you don't like, and among a people whom you don't respect. Not to mention the dismissiveness, and total lack of empathy, you have demonstrated you have towards the needs of struggling and poor Americans.
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Old Nov 4th 2018, 10:04 am
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14th amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Old Nov 4th 2018, 2:57 pm
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Don't you think you would be happier back in the UK? I'm not saying that to be cheeky. But with the level of disdain you seem to have for the United States and its people with remarks like that, well, life is too short to willingly choose to live in a country you don't like, and among a people whom you don't respect. Not to mention the dismissiveness, and total lack of empathy, you have demonstrated you have towards the needs of struggling and poor Americans.
Well if you read my various posts over the years you would know where I stand on all these things. Feel free to use the search function.
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Old Nov 4th 2018, 3:11 pm
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https://www.apnews.com/e84cdca5b568402398eabfcd2b6ada07
Here's an option for constitutional change that I'd not read about before. It could be practical, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by carcajou View Post
But with the level of disdain you seem to have for the United States and its people with remarks like that, well, life is too short to willingly choose to live in a country you don't like, and among a people whom you don't respect. Not to mention the dismissiveness, and total lack of empathy, you have demonstrated you have towards the needs of struggling and poor Americans.
You're totally wrong there about Lion in Winter. I'm actually quite surprised at your post, I don't always agree with your take on things but you don't tend to fling around unfounded personal slurs like this.
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https://www.apnews.com/e84cdca5b568402398eabfcd2b6ada07
Here's an option for constitutional change that I'd not read about before. It could be practical, I suppose.
One of the big problems with constitutional amendments is that 3/4 of the states must agree on it. It's next to impossible to get 3/4 of state legislatures to agree on anything. The last one passed, #27 Delays laws affecting Congressional salary from taking effect until after the next election of representatives, took from 1789 to 1992 to be approved!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_Constitution
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One of the big problems with constitutional amendments is that 3/4 of the states must agree on it. It's next to impossible to get 3/4 of state legislatures to agree on anything. The last one passed, #27 Delays laws affecting Congressional salary from taking effect until after the next election of representatives, took from 1789 to 1992 to be approved!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_Constitution
Could not this one garner bi partisanship support?
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Don't you think you would be happier back in the UK? I'm not saying that to be cheeky. But with the level of disdain you seem to have for the United States and its people with remarks like that, well, life is too short to willingly choose to live in a country you don't like, and among a people whom you don't respect. Not to mention the dismissiveness, and total lack of empathy, you have demonstrated you have towards the needs of struggling and poor Americans.
You might want to read some of LiW posts before you make statements about her.
As a matter of interest, do you live in the US?
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Given that the US taxes citizens on their worldwide income regardless of where they reside in the world, many think of US citizenship as a millstone rather than a gift. There are many "accidental Americans" out there who are severely impacted by being US citizens.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Good grief.

Free your minds, people, free your minds. You do talk a lot of rubbish.
Great argument and counter to my point. Oh wait, you don't even address it, you just insulted me instead.

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Could not this one garner bi partisanship support?
Given the tribal nature of US politics at the moment I don’t think you’d get bipartisan support for virtually anything, let alone a constitutional amendment.
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Given the tribal nature of US politics at the moment I don’t think you’d get bipartisan support for virtually anything, let alone a constitutional amendment.
Seeing all of the adverts in the run-up to Tuesday's elections, it's all "why you shouldn't vote for the other candidate" and very little of "Why you should vote for me". It's all mud-slinging.
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Given the tribal nature of US politics at the moment I don’t think you’d get bipartisan support for virtually anything, let alone a constitutional amendment.
We can live in hope, this seems a no brainer.
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