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Old Oct 30th 2018, 3:13 pm
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Well this is an interesting development.

Trump proposes ending birthright citizenship for those born to undocumented parents.More on the legal basis here:Probably just a trial balloon before the election to get everyone all stirred up.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by penguinsix View Post
Well this is an interesting development.

Trump proposes ending birthright citizenship for those born to undocumented parents.More on the legal basis here:Probably just a trial balloon before the election to get everyone all stirred up.
Won't change gun laws because of the constitution, yet this is up for a change? Adding to the hypocrisy.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 5:53 pm
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Really can’t see how this is going fly constitutionally.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 6:06 pm
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I wonder if this will effect non-Hispanic birthrights. My son was born in the US but now resides in the UK as a citizen of both countries.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 6:20 pm
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Really can’t see how this is going fly constitutionally.
Nor can The Donald, but he doesn't give a flying one. Pure electioneering.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 6:22 pm
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Doubtful that this would pass, although I can see that it would have a large number of US Citizens in favor of it. The constitution can be amended. From the internet's wiki:

There is a trend in some countries toward restricting lex soli by requiring that at least one of the child's parents be a citizen, national or legal permanent resident of the state in question at time of the child's birth. Modification of jus soli has been criticized as contributing to economic inequality, the perpetuation of unfree labour from a helot underclass[38] and statelessness. Jus soli has been restricted in the following countries:
  • Australia: Since 20 August 1986, a person born in Australia acquires Australian citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident; or else after living the first ten years of their life in Australia, regardless of their parent's citizenship status.
  • Bahrain: Children born to a foreign father with valid residency permits who himself was born in Bahrain have right to citizenship.
  • Cambodia: In 1996, Cambodia changed the law to only grant citizenship to children born to foreign parents living legally in the Kingdom of Cambodia (under Article 4(2)(a) of the 1996 Nationality Law).
  • Colombia: A child born in Colombia is a citizen when one of the parents is a Colombian citizen or legal resident.
  • Dominican Republic: The constitution was amended on 26 January 2010. The amendment broadened the definition of the 2004 migration law – which excluded from citizenship children born to individuals that were "in transit" – to include "non-residents" (including individuals with expired residency visas and undocumented workers).
  • Egypt: According to Article 4 of nationality law of the Arab Republic of Egypt, persons born in Egypt gain citizenship at birth if the father also was born in Egypt.
  • France: Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one foreign parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence.
  • Germany: prior to 2000 Germany had its nationality law based entirely on jus sanguinis, but now children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-ethnic German descent parents acquire German citizenship at birth, if at least one parent has a permanent residence permit (and had this status for at least three years) and the parent was residing in Germany for at least eight years.
  • Greece: Apart from regulations in past and historic nationality laws of Greece granting nationality jus soli, Greek Nationality Code of 2004 states that "A person born in Greek territory acquires by birth the Greek nationality if not acquiring alien nationality or is of unknown nationality". Additionally, as from 2015's amendment of 2004 Cod (Law 4332 of 2015, G.G. A/76/9 July 2015), a child born in Greece by foreign parents, shall acquire the right of Greek nationality with a combination of preliminary school attendance and parents' legal residence in Greece (5 years, 10 if the child is born prior to 5 years of legal residence). One year after the implementation of the law (as from July 2016), 6,029 children had been granted Greek nationality, out of 27,720 submitted applications.
  • Hong Kong: Since the July 1997 transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong, most political rights and eligibility for most benefits are conferred to permanent residents regardless of citizenship.
  • Iran: Article 976(4) of the Civil Code of Iran grants citizenship at birth to persons born in Iran of foreign parents if one or both of the parents were themselves born.
  • Ireland: On 1 January 2005, the law was amended to require that at least one of the parents be an Irish citizen; a British citizen; a resident with a permanent right to reside in Ireland or In Northern Ireland; or a legal resident residing three of the last four years in the country. Ireland was the last country in Europe to abolish unrestricted jus soli.
  • Luxembourg: A person born in Luxembourg is automatically a Luxembourg citizen if at least one of their parents was also born in Luxembourg.
  • Malaysia: A person born in Malaysia on or after 16 September 1963 with at least one parent being a Malaysian citizen or permanent resident is automatically a Malaysian citizen.
  • Morocco: A person who was born in Morocco to parents also born in Morocco and whose immigration is legal, can register as a Moroccan two years prior to becoming adult.
  • Namibia: A person born in Namibia to a Namibian citizen parent or a foreign parent who is ordinarily resident in Namibia, is a Namibian citizen at birth.
  • New Zealand: Since 1 January 2006, a person born in New Zealand acquires New Zealand citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident (includes Australian citizens and Permanent Residents), or if to prevent being stateless.
  • Portugal: A child born in Portuguese territory to who does not possess another nationality is a Portuguese citizen. Also, a person born to foreign parents who were not serving their respective States at the time of birth is a Portuguese citizen if the person declares that they want to be Portuguese and provided that one of the parents has legally resided in Portugal for at least two years at the time of birth.[60]
  • South Africa: Since 6 October 1995, a person born in South Africa to South African citizens or permanent residents are automatically granted South African citizenship.
  • Spain: A child born in Spain to foreign parents may acquire Spanish citizenship jus soli if either one of the parents was also born in Spain, or none of the parents can transmit their nationality to the child (including the stateless parents).
  • Sudan: A person born before 1994 gains Sudanese nationality at birth if his father was also born in Sudan. If his father was not born in Sudan, he can apply to the Minister to be granted Sudanese nationality.
  • Thailand: Thailand operated a system of pure jus soli prior to 1972. Due to illegal immigration from Burma, the Nationality Act was amended to require that both parents be legally resident and domiciled in Thailand for at least five years for their child to be granted Thai citizenship at birth.[Furthermore, someone who has Thai citizenship by sole virtue of [i]jus soli may be stripped of Thai citizenship under various conditions (such as living abroad), which does not apply to people who have Thai citizenship by virtue of jus sanguinis.[65]
  • Tunisia: Individuals born in Tunisia are citizens by birth if their father and grandfather were born in Tunisia. Additionally, the person must declare before becoming an adult (20 years) that he wants to be a citizen.
  • United Kingdom: Since 1 January 1983, at least one parent must be a British citizen or be legally "settled" in the country or upon the 10th birthday of the child regardless of their parent's citizenship status.
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I wonder if Trump will try to stop H1-B immigrants from becoming citizens next. He seems to be attacking almost every path towards citizenship.
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The United States and Canada are the only two developed nations that still have unrestricted jus soli citizenship law although it’s far more common in the Americas overall than the rest of the world. To change it in the US you would need a constitutional amendment which is simply not going to happen.
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Old Oct 30th 2018, 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by mrken30 View Post
I wonder if Trump will try to stop H1-B immigrants from becoming citizens next. He seems to be attacking almost every path towards citizenship.
Attacking how though? Rhetoric Trump and Policy Trump are often two very different beasts.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/442632-trump-...t-citizenship/
It seems open to question whether it needs only a President's Executive Order to remove anchor-babies from automatic citizenship. But at the very least it will go to the Supreme Court, which has the authority to rule on constitutional matters. The anti-Trump open-borders gang won't agree with me, but I think the British rule (Rete's post at #6 above) is much superior to the US one as applied now.
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I wonder if this will effect non-Hispanic birthrights. My son was born in the US but now resides in the UK as a citizen of both countries.
There’s nothing Hispanic about it — it’s people from other countries, period. But it wouldn’t be retroactive to those who are already citizens, like your son.
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Attacking how though? Rhetoric Trump and Policy Trump are often two very different beasts.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought there was a whole debate about letting Dreamers stay in the US. Allowing USCs to bring in family members to the US. I thought a large part of Trump's remit was anti-immigration and anti-foreigner.
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Seems to be pre election rhetoric. Paul Ryan and other Republicans are pointing out that it would require a Constitution change.
Trump does not shy away from looking ignorant, if he thinks it will keep the base happy.
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See that is where I don't agree with some of the posts here. The US Constitution has been changed on many occasions. It can happen and in today's climate, it is very possible. I don't see President Trump as anti-immigration or anti-foreigner. I see that his platform is definitely anti-open border, anti-amnesty for those here illegally, and the stricter application of USCIS immigration laws to those seeking visas, i.e. work visas. He does not have a problem with H-1B visa holders and the visas themselves, but he does have a problem with those employers who have skirted the regulations to obtain their employee's H-1B visas and those who are treating their employees fairly or paying them the wages do their position and what is paid to US citizens for the same employment. It isn't just H visas but L visas as well being thoroughly gone over and other alphabet work visas.

Ironic that President's Trump 'like' numbers were higher than those for former President Obama at the same point in office.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought there was a whole debate about letting Dreamers stay in the US. Allowing USCs to bring in family members to the US. I thought a large part of Trump's remit was anti-immigration and anti-foreigner.
The DREAM Act has never been made law and USCs can still bring in family members. Trump talked about scrapping the Diversity Immigrant Visa a year ago but I submitted my partner’s application for the 2020 lottery last weekend. There’s been a couple of concrete prototypes produced and some extra fencing installed but no spades in the ground for the big, beautiful wall. Trump has deported fewer people than Obama. I’m not US based so I may be missing something but his rhetoric doesn’t seem to be translating into actions.
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