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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by HDWill
(Post 12921932)
What technicalities does hand delivering a ballot prevent? Does your ballot envelope require a signature, or witness etc? It's true that mailed in ballots received after election day could be contested if there's no visible postmark, but that is easily solved by mailing your ballot at least three business days before election day.
Hand carrying also removes the risk of a non visible/poorly visible postmark that I suspect will be part of Trump's legal challenges. And it likely removes the possibility of your ballot being involved in legal attempts to simply stop counting mail in ballots. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12921948)
Suppose it depends on state, ever seen a California ballot......:rofl:
This year in my California county isn't too bad, only 22 things or offices to vote on. US President House of Representative Member of State Assembly Judge of the superior court County board of education A community college board of education seat elementary school district board member x 2 County board of supervistor seat Props 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 Took me about 20 minutes to complete referencing my notes I took during my 2 hours of researching everyone and all the props. We don't get all those props in Illinois :lol: Lots of judges though. Lots. And the commissioner of the Water Reclamation District (sewage). |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12921950)
Did they get all the phony ballot drop boxes in California picked up, and are there any charges coming from that?
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12921948)
Suppose it depends on state, ever seen a California ballot......:rofl:
This year in my California county isn't too bad, only 22 things or offices to vote on. US President House of Representative Member of State Assembly Judge of the superior court County board of education A community college board of education seat elementary school district board member x 2 County board of supervistor seat Props 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 Took me about 20 minutes to complete referencing my notes I took during my 2 hours of researching everyone and all the props. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12921954)
They've been ordered to remove them. Trump is urging them not to comply.
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by robin1234
(Post 12921958)
But is there any guarantee that any ballot papers innocently placed in them will be delivered to the right place, and treated properly?
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by markonline1
(Post 12921959)
No, there isn’t.
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by robin1234
(Post 12921968)
In that case, can’t the state seize all the boxes ASAP, to prevent any further harm? Rather than requiring the republicans to remove them?
The GOP and State officials seem to have differing views on the interpretation of voting laws in California, so likely this will end up in court. This quote is amusing in a way, Trump say's mail ballots bad, California Republicans have long relied on mail ballots to get out the vote in their party. "Republicans are in a tough spot," Hasen said. "On one hand, you have the President, who is criticizing vote-by-mail and says it is prone to fraud. On the other hand, Republicans in California has long relied on a strong vote-by-mail operation to get out the Republican vote." |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 12921953)
We don't get all those props in Illinois :lol: Lots of judges though. Lots. And the commissioner of the Water Reclamation District (sewage).
Propositions include: 14- Bond, Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute 15- Taxes, Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue 16- Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting 17- Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole 18- Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections 19- Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules 20- Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection 21- Expands local governments' power to use rent control 22- Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies 23- Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close 24- Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA 25- Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial Prop 22 support has spent the most money this year for any prop, $184,344,108.14 so far. Prop 18 comes in with the least amount spent, support $342,424.10, opposition $0 https://ballotpedia.org/California_2...t_propositions 2016 my county had a lot of judges, but this time around only 1. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12921952)
Unless you do return receipt, mailing "at least three business days before election day" is no guarantee that it was received.
Hand carrying also removes the risk of a non visible/poorly visible postmark that I suspect will be part of Trump's legal challenges. And it likely removes the possibility of your ballot being involved in legal attempts to simply stop counting mail in ballots. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 12921756)
AZ let's you track just about everything - mailed out to you; received from you; processed as valid; and ... finally ... counted. But - I still haven't received my ballot; they were supposed to send it out Thursday and it's being mailed to my place in northern CA. Eagerly looking out for it ...
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12921998)
California is proposition heaven.
Propositions include: 14- Bond, Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute 15- Taxes, Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue 16- Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting 17- Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole 18- Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections 19- Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules 20- Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection 21- Expands local governments' power to use rent control 22- Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies 23- Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close 24- Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA 25- Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial Prop 22 support has spent the most money this year for any prop, $184,344,108.14 so far. Prop 18 comes in with the least amount spent, support $342,424.10, opposition $0 https://ballotpedia.org/California_2...t_propositions 2016 my county had a lot of judges, but this time around only 1. Interesting that for prop 22, they've managed to get 'MADD' (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) to support it. Basically, from what I can infer, California has passed a law requiring UBER / Lyft etc to treat their drivers as employees; this proposition is to essentially undo that. MADD is saying that Uber/Lyft keeps drunk drivers off the road. I guess the overriding implication is, if Uber/Lyft have to treat their drivers as employees, then they will lose millions of drivers. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12921998)
California is proposition heaven.
Propositions include: 14- Bond, Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute 15- Taxes, Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue 16- Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting 17- Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole 18- Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections 19- Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules 20- Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection 21- Expands local governments' power to use rent control 22- Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies 23- Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close 24- Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA 25- Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial Prop 22 support has spent the most money this year for any prop, $184,344,108.14 so far. Prop 18 comes in with the least amount spent, support $342,424.10, opposition $0 https://ballotpedia.org/California_2...t_propositions 2016 my county had a lot of judges, but this time around only 1. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 12922058)
Interesting that for prop 22, they've managed to get 'MADD' (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) to support it. Basically, from what I can infer, California has passed a law requiring UBER / Lyft etc to treat their drivers as employees; this proposition is to essentially undo that. MADD is saying that Uber/Lyft keeps drunk drivers off the road. I guess the overriding implication is, if Uber/Lyft have to treat their drivers as employees, then they will lose millions of drivers.
I'm voting "no" on this one as I believe drivers should be treated as employees with commensurate benefits. I'm also fed up of incessant political mailings from Uber that I never asked for beyond having used Uber in the past. To me, being a consumer of a company doesn't give them carte blanche to do this. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12922060)
If you live in San Francisco, you have a further 12 city propositions and 1 district proposition!
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12922061)
Of course, it's mainly about Uber's bottom line.
I'm voting "no" on this one as I believe drivers should be treated as employees with commensurate benefits. I'm also fed up of incessant political mailings from Uber that I never asked for beyond having used Uber in the past. To me, being a consumer of a company doesn't give them carte blanche to do this. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12921998)
California is proposition heaven.
Propositions include: 14- Bond, Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute 15- Taxes, Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue 16- Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting 17- Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole 18- Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections 19- Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules 20- Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection 21- Expands local governments' power to use rent control 22- Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies 23- Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close 24- Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA 25- Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial Prop 22 support has spent the most money this year for any prop, $184,344,108.14 so far. Prop 18 comes in with the least amount spent, support $342,424.10, opposition $0 https://ballotpedia.org/California_2...t_propositions 2016 my county had a lot of judges, but this time around only 1. I suspect many people decide based on ads and how it's presented rather than the merits of the proposition. There was a proposition a couple of years ago which was similar in parts to the present Prop 19, but it was rejected I expect because it was said to be promoted by realtors who would profit from the increase in senior home sales. With the present Prop 19 there doesn't seem to be any talk of realtors, instead the benefit to Fire Protection and schools from the increased revenue from more sales, so I expect it will pass. |
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