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johnwoo Jul 15th 2020 8:42 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12882258)
The talking heads on the right keep saying 'other countries are sending their kids back to school and so should we'. What no one seems to be saying in response is, yes, 'other countries' are indeed sending their kids back to school - because other countries have got their cases under control.

It remains to be seen if this would be wise, following outbreaks in Israeli Schools

"Two weeks after Israel fully reopened schools, a COVID-19 outbreak sweeping through classrooms — including at least 130 cases at a single school — has led officials to close dozens of schools where students and staff were infected. A new policy orders any school where a virus case emerges to close.
The government decision, announced Wednesday evening, comes after more than 200 cases have been confirmed among students and staff at various schools. At least 244 students and school employees have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the Ministry of Education. At least 42 kindergartens and schools have been shuttered indefinitely. More than 6,800 students and teachers are in home quarantine by government order."

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...are-discovered

civilservant Jul 17th 2020 8:04 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
This one made me laugh....


zzrmark Jul 17th 2020 10:37 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12883273)

I am almost tempted to make a donation to them, their continuous stream of ads is giving me no end of enjoyment and it'd be a shame to see them run out of money before November.

carcajou Jul 17th 2020 6:56 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
Centrist columnist Andrew Sullivan - who voted for Obama, Clinton, and has declared he will vote for Biden - has been fired by Vox Media for ideological reasons, Sullivan announced in his last-ever column for their New Yorker publication. Sullivan also hinted that a staff campaign by other writers at the publication to have him removed, may also have occurred.

Sullivan said he will re-start his "Dish" publication that he ceased in 2015. I remember the Dish, and I am pleased that Sullivan will not sit this election out.



carcajou Jul 17th 2020 7:04 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tensio...cancel-culture

"Tensions among Vox employees erupt on Twitter after journalist signs "cancel culture" letter."

The "letter" is one signed by 150 journalists across the political spectrum, decrying "cancel culture."

Matt Yglesias signed it, which caused three of his colleagues at Vox to erupt on Twitter in a spew of anger and hate - claiming that Yglesias signing the letter was "targeted" at them, they felt "harassment" as a result of him signing it and it made them "less safe" as Vox employees.

Anyone who has actually been involved in Democratic politics pre-Trump, and can remember back to the formation of the NetRoots, knows that Yglesias is a straight-ticket left-wing liberal and trying to paint him as some kind of bigot is asinine.

robin1234 Jul 17th 2020 11:31 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883432)
Centrist columnist Andrew Sullivan - who voted for Obama, Clinton, and has declared he will vote for Biden - has been fired by Vox Media for ideological reasons, Sullivan announced in his last-ever column for their New Yorker publication. Sullivan also hinted that a staff campaign by other writers at the publication to have him removed, may also have occurred.

Sullivan said he will re-start his "Dish" publication that he ceased in 2015. I remember the Dish, and I am pleased that Sullivan will not sit this election out.

I was puzzled by this post because I read the New Yorker every week and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a piece by Andrew Sullivan in it! It seems Sullivan used to write for New York magazine, not the New Yorker.

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 17th 2020 11:35 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883433)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tensio...cancel-culture

"Tensions among Vox employees erupt on Twitter after journalist signs "cancel culture" letter."

The "letter" is one signed by 150 journalists across the political spectrum, decrying "cancel culture."

Matt Yglesias signed it, which caused three of his colleagues at Vox to erupt on Twitter in a spew of anger and hate - claiming that Yglesias signing the letter was "targeted" at them, they felt "harassment" as a result of him signing it and it made them "less safe" as Vox employees.

Anyone who has actually been involved in Democratic politics pre-Trump, and can remember back to the formation of the NetRoots, knows that Yglesias is a straight-ticket left-wing liberal and trying to paint him as some kind of bigot is asinine.

Such people are now considered beyond the pale and must be destroyed.

carcajou Jul 17th 2020 11:49 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12883505)
I was puzzled by this post because I read the New Yorker every week and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a piece by Andrew Sullivan in it! It seems Sullivan used to write for New York magazine, not the New Yorker.

Correct. Typo on my part.

Sullivan is not a liberal or really a Democrat, I hope I did not give that impression in my post, he is somewhat of a centrist but crosses over to Democratic positions and candidates from time to time, and at this stage he hasn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate in 20 years (he also backed John Kerry).

I remember his endorsement of Obama in 2008, when he wrote about how he was excited to vote for George W Bush in 2000, and how the Republicans' abandonment of libertarianism that occurred under Bush/Rove's push to court the Christian Right had so disillusioned him. He's HIV-positive, is a daily marijuana user and was one of the leaders of the LGBT movement in the 1980s. So in other words some radical rightist, he is not.

robin1234 Jul 18th 2020 12:43 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883516)
Correct. Typo on my part.

Sullivan is not a liberal or really a Democrat, I hope I did not give that impression in my post, he is somewhat of a centrist but crosses over to Democratic positions and candidates from time to time, and at this stage he hasn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate in 20 years (he also backed John Kerry).

I remember his endorsement of Obama in 2008, when he wrote about how he was excited to vote for George W Bush in 2000, and how the Republicans' abandonment of libertarianism that occurred under Bush/Rove's push to court the Christian Right had so disillusioned him. He's HIV-positive, is a daily marijuana user and was one of the leaders of the LGBT movement in the 1980s. So in other words some radical rightist, he is not.

Agreed .. I’ve read his work on and off since the 90s, New Republic, then his blog. He’s always been a humane and reality-based commentator. I used to like his views from the hotel window that he would post when he was traveling.

HDWill Jul 18th 2020 12:47 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883516)
Correct. Typo on my part.

Sullivan is not a liberal or really a Democrat, I hope I did not give that impression in my post, he is somewhat of a centrist but crosses over to Democratic positions and candidates from time to time, and at this stage he hasn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate in 20 years (he also backed John Kerry).

I remember his endorsement of Obama in 2008, when he wrote about how he was excited to vote for George W Bush in 2000, and how the Republicans' abandonment of libertarianism that occurred under Bush/Rove's push to court the Christian Right had so disillusioned him. He's HIV-positive, is a daily marijuana user and was one of the leaders of the LGBT movement in the 1980s. So in other words some radical rightist, he is not.

Centrism is an enemy of the left along with conservatism, since centrism involves complicity in oppressive systems. And freedom of expression is less valued with the rise of speech-as-violence thinking.

civilservant Jul 18th 2020 2:37 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
A Fox news person calling Trump out on a lie. Shock!

You can see in his reaction how much he hates being told he's wrong.



Steerpike Jul 18th 2020 6:08 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883432)
Centrist columnist Andrew Sullivan - who voted for Obama, Clinton, and has declared he will vote for Biden - has been fired by Vox Media for ideological reasons, Sullivan announced in his last-ever column for their New Yorker publication. Sullivan also hinted that a staff campaign by other writers at the publication to have him removed, may also have occurred.

Sullivan said he will re-start his "Dish" publication that he ceased in 2015. I remember the Dish, and I am pleased that Sullivan will not sit this election out.


Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12883433)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tensio...cancel-culture

"Tensions among Vox employees erupt on Twitter after journalist signs "cancel culture" letter."

The "letter" is one signed by 150 journalists across the political spectrum, decrying "cancel culture."

Matt Yglesias signed it, which caused three of his colleagues at Vox to erupt on Twitter in a spew of anger and hate - claiming that Yglesias signing the letter was "targeted" at them, they felt "harassment" as a result of him signing it and it made them "less safe" as Vox employees.

Anyone who has actually been involved in Democratic politics pre-Trump, and can remember back to the formation of the NetRoots, knows that Yglesias is a straight-ticket left-wing liberal and trying to paint him as some kind of bigot is asinine.

This sucks.

I see Sullivan mainly on Bill Mahr's show; I think I used to read him on 'the daily beast' ... but could be wrong there. I really enjoy his work, and it is very sad to see him being ostracized. In what way are Vox employees 'less safe'? F**ing snowflake behavior.

Giantaxe Jul 18th 2020 9:08 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
Interesting that the Lincoln Project is now going after the Republican senators who are the most prominent supporters of Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZp...ature=youtu.be

civilservant Jul 18th 2020 9:12 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
This isn't new. They've been posting about 'Moscow Mitch' and his cronies for a good while.

kimilseung Jul 18th 2020 9:22 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12883610)
A Fox news person calling Trump out on a lie. Shock!

You can see in his reaction how much he hates being told he's wrong.

https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/st...542675458?s=20

Set to record this tomorrow. Should be entertaining.


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