Originally Posted by Boiler

2020 Democrats have started to clash over slavery reparations, but a new poll shows most liberals support the idea

https://www.businessinsider.com/majo...l-shows-2019-3

I think it was this that was the basis of why I thought that.

Originally Posted by yellowroom

Originally Posted by robtuck

I don't think it's a shock to anyone that he would hold such views - he appears to be digging a hole by suggesting it's OK to say it because other people think it as well. Now, I say hole, because that is what it usually would be, but his success has been in narrowing the ideological variations down to two sides, so those who support him would do so regardless of what he says, because they really do agree (and he knows the staunch Republicans are not going to vote Democrat). The question for 2020 is really about whether or not the Democratic candidate can rally the other side significantly on turnout, sort of like the mid terms. Independent's who haven't voted for Trump are never going to, so he cannot build his own "base". As much as I hate negative campaigns, and I think having one or two key ideas to vote for will be critical if the Democrats want to win, they may also have some success in stoking just the right amount of alternative fear - he's coming for YOU (like Republicans do on 2nd Amendment issues).

Originally Posted by robtuck

I don't think it's a shock to anyone that he would hold such views - he appears to be digging a hole by suggesting it's OK to say it because other people think it as well. Now, I say hole, because that is what it usually would be, but his success has been in narrowing the ideological variations down to two sides, so those who support him would do so regardless of what he says, because they really do agree (and he knows the staunch Republicans are not going to vote Democrat). The question for 2020 is really about whether or not the Democratic candidate can rally the other side significantly on turnout, sort of like the mid terms. Independent's who haven't voted for Trump are never going to, so he cannot build his own "base". As much as I hate negative campaigns, and I think having one or two key ideas to vote for will be critical if the Democrats want to win, they may also have some success in stoking just the right amount of alternative fear - he's coming for YOU (like Republicans do on 2nd Amendment issues).

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Not so much digging a hole, as whippping up a very partisan crowd to support him by making them feel that it's ok to say and think this sort of thing. It's a tactic - he knows that there is a huge chunk of the population who will not vote for him, ever. Therefore he needs to ensure that everyone who would, does. Polarisation at its finest. I wouldn't be surprised if this country puts him back in office.

Originally Posted by civilservant

It doesn't really matter what he does. If the joint session ratifies the results of the election then he turns into a pumpkin at midday on inauguration day and will be ignored after that.

Originally Posted by kimilseung

Think about all the other axioms this president has proven wrong. There are multitude of scenarios to play out between a November and a January.

Originally Posted by kimilseung

Think about all the other axioms this president has proven wrong. There are multitude of scenarios to play out between a November and a January.

Originally Posted by civilservant

You're suggesting that he would ignore an order from the Supreme Court (which he hasn't yet) and the USSS would refuse an order from their lawfully sworn in President to remove him from the White House.

If he refused to leave, presumably he'd be arrested just like any other trespasser.

I honestly think that if he loses he will give it up, he'll wine and cry and be posting on Twitter until the day he keels over, but no one will care other than his die hards.