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The competition amongst US commercial passenger plane builders must be practically non existent. McDonnell Douglas their main rival went down the road long ago so the prestige factor isn't that big a deal I would think.
The Queen on the other hand could request an AB 380 stick her tongue out at Donald "mine's bigger than yours Donald na ne na ne na"
The Queen on the other hand could request an AB 380 stick her tongue out at Donald "mine's bigger than yours Donald na ne na ne na"
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They ruled out bidding. You can be certain Congress would never approve a foreign manufacturer producing AF1. the sucurity of the technology would be a concern...and largely..no one would want AF1 to be a flying advertisement for Airbus and the likely damage that could do to Boeings sales..
Well, yes it is, since Boeing is the only one. Boeing and MD merged in 1997 and all the other aircraft manufacturers in the US are either in the military or general aviation fields.
It is a flying advertisement for them..so yes..a big deal.

It's an extended airframe, with new avionics, but it's hardly 21st century tech.
If the 787 had been a little longer it would have been chosen I think.... only the fact it's missing half the engines of a Jumbo probably went against it.
As far as I know the VC-25 doesn't even have a glass cockpit, just the standard one retrofitted with some LCD displays. You can't keep slapping on modern bits to an old frame.
Plus, the 747-200 still requires a flight engineer so that's one (more likely two or more for reserves on long flights) additional member of the crew that is required for every trip. A modern glass cockpit requires only a captain, first officer and their reserve(s).
Plus, the 747-200 still requires a flight engineer so that's one (more likely two or more for reserves on long flights) additional member of the crew that is required for every trip. A modern glass cockpit requires only a captain, first officer and their reserve(s).
I think I saw, out of the corner of my eye, the Time photo shoot and it actually looked like they took that photo in the lobby of Trump Tower. There was a bunch of shiny gold/black/marble/shiny/shinola/shit/gold going on in the background. Obviously they changed the background but, also obviously, left the battered chair-back alone in the cover photo.
Here's an idea. Don't cancel a new AF1, Keep the new AF1 and cancel Trump.
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I know nothing about these lines, just wondering.
He's filling all the top positions with social conservatives, it's like Dubya all over again - low taxes but high spending and religion-based moralising laws. The only person who is not from the swamp he is supposed to be draining is Ben Carson, who is bizarrely in charge of housing rather than anything health related.
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His team will eventually explain to him why a new AF One is needed equipped with the very latest state of the art equipment on board after they've given him a floor map of the White House showing where the Oval office is
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TIME Person of the Year: Behind the Donald Trump Cover
Just reading through the last 2 pages and am I glad someone finally said that 
It's an extended airframe, with new avionics, but it's hardly 21st century tech.
If the 787 had been a little longer it would have been chosen I think.... only the fact it's missing half the engines of a Jumbo probably went against it.

It's an extended airframe, with new avionics, but it's hardly 21st century tech.
If the 787 had been a little longer it would have been chosen I think.... only the fact it's missing half the engines of a Jumbo probably went against it.
That and (at least to me anyway) the 747-8 is a great looking plane.
There was a fascinating story released recently about the President's movements on 9/11, largely focusing on AF1. Turns out they could not receive any TV stations other than terrestrial broadcasts, when flying low near populated areas, so had no idea what was going on with CNN/etc. They also had great difficulty making phone calls, struggling to reach key govt. people, and they could not send/receive any email. Overall, the communications infrastructure on AF1 was sadly lacking. Probably not a huge part of the budget, but an interesting insight.
However, as pointed out earlier, there's no way the US Government is going to give the VC-25 contract to a European manufacturer, even if it was to be built in the US.



