IMO 'ridiculously close' a good thing...the establishment vs new blood. Whoever wins...it shows people want a change from the same old same old.

Trump isn't even right wing. He's not coherent enough. I can't really have any respect for what I see here.

Tbh I disagree. All it shows is that people have no idea what they are voting for or why. It appears to be a game to many people, like a sporting event. They will forget about it in a couple of days. Trump isn't new blood or a change - he is a corrupt and dishonest businessman with a few screws loose and profoundly backward in many ways. He wasn't a politician, and that is all.

Still think Clinton will win decisively, but Trump so far holding its own.

Fun to watch though. But whomever wins clearly a nation divided.

A multi-millionaire is hardly "a change from the same old same old".

trump most certainly is a change from the way establishment politicians handle things, he has shown that the whole election. Whether he would effect substantial change in office another question.

Two corrupt candidates.

I agree with your comments about Trump...but he is an anti establishment change. Clinton is estblishment.

It may be a game to some...but this is the so called 'greatest democary in the world'...so we shall see as the results unfold.

Well in that he comes off as a raving troglodyte lunatic he's different. But he still represents the interests of the wealthy and corporate America, of which he is part. The lack of superficial polish is not what I would describe as change.

I think you know that's not what I meant. He's a change from career politicians...for some.

I disagree. He represents the same interests as the establishment. That makes him establishment in my book.

I got a sticker for voting for christ's sake, like a child at the dentist.

Most of his supporters would say with all the money and connections Clinton has to the corporate and political elite, she clearly represents corporate America ( corporate meaning very large corporations). Goldman Sachs is a pretty ruthless organization going after their own interests. I had some business with them one, admittedly anecdotal, but their support for Clinton I don't thing is from kindness of their heart. Kind of like her saying she is for women's rights, and supports Saudi Arabia so deeply.

On the other hand raving does seem to describe his approach. I would be more worried that he has some indications of early dementia. I haven't studied psychology, but he has said some strange things.

Well we shall have to agree to disagree. At the end of the day...if either or both parties had different nominees...this would be a different ball game.

No argument there. I hope to get out of here before we have another one of these anyway.

And thanks for the edit. Phone posting.....

From what I gather large corporations supporting Clinton, establishment media and politicians in both parties largely against Trump, certainly union leaders and academia- what part of the establishment is Trump representing ?

I am out...in the physical sense...unfortunately I will be forever tied to the US.