2016 Election

Michelle Obama has grown into her role by managing to find her voice without sounding defensive on tough issues. I always found her relatable because she is a lot like myself and the women of my generation, but she didn't always come across as likable. She wasn't always excited about the presidency of her husband, and the stress and danger it would inflict upon her family, and sometimes she wasn't smooth enough to hide it. She's plenty smooth now.
Last edited by Leslie; Oct 16th 2016 at 3:00 am.
Oh I absolutely agree. My thought was that hey what if this alleged witness actually was there on the plane and my fevered imagination came up with an even bigger scandal than the one he was trying to cover up.
Sort of "I couldn't have been there because I was somewhere else murdering someone".
Sort of "I couldn't have been there because I was somewhere else murdering someone".
Great post. 
My idea of Boiler is that he's not a troll but he does troll this thread. I also believe that we can be friends with people and also disagree with them.
The unfortunate fallout of this toxic election, 99% of which I blame on Trump, is that it's just not funny anymore. The stakes are too high. So, when the serious nature of the rapey Trump revelations is diminished, I'm getting pissed off. I'm taking it personally. The Michelle Obama speech summed it all up perfectly. This is not normal. This is not okay.
The men on this thread have been fantastic and proven that Trump is a complete anomaly and a pariah --- normal decent men don't behave like Trump and they won't do anything to elevate Trump. Even the ones that seem to support him, have not gone so far as to defend his predatory actions.

My idea of Boiler is that he's not a troll but he does troll this thread. I also believe that we can be friends with people and also disagree with them.
The unfortunate fallout of this toxic election, 99% of which I blame on Trump, is that it's just not funny anymore. The stakes are too high. So, when the serious nature of the rapey Trump revelations is diminished, I'm getting pissed off. I'm taking it personally. The Michelle Obama speech summed it all up perfectly. This is not normal. This is not okay.
The men on this thread have been fantastic and proven that Trump is a complete anomaly and a pariah --- normal decent men don't behave like Trump and they won't do anything to elevate Trump. Even the ones that seem to support him, have not gone so far as to defend his predatory actions.
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but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously
here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
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er, the media love her, so does everyone on this thread 
but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously
here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws

but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously
here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws
Holier than thou????
She is a highly educated intelligent lady. If that makes someone "holier than thou" then more power to all the intelligent smart and decent females out there!
On another note, has anyone read the wikileaks transcript of HRC's speech to the Goldman Sachs people? Interesting, and her grasp of the international issues shows how Trump could never hope to compete with her. Perhaps only Rubio had a chance.
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er, the media love her, so does everyone on this thread 
but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously
here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws

but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously
here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws
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She's been an exceptional first lady -- and, for my money, is the most beautiful woman to have held the office.
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I called out an old BE friend on FB for her nasty name calling of the FLOTUS. It was nasty, uncalled for and totally mean. If she had used the same meaness toward Laura or Barbara Bush I would have done the same thing.
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news flash: education doesn't give you the right to preach about morals, it just makes you look self righteous
where's the teary eyed speeches about bill clinton's sex crimes






