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Old Oct 15th 2016 | 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie
My takeaway from Mrs. Obama's speech:

Donald Trump made us feel bad. Michelle Obama made us feel better. That is powerful.
I don't think I've heard her speak before, well not unless it's some random chat thing. I was very impressed and moved. Why do people hate her?
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 12:45 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
I don't think I've heard her speak before, well not unless it's some random chat thing. I was very impressed and moved. Why do people hate her?
It was one of the best speeches I've heard. The delivery was excellent.
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 2:34 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
I don't think I've heard her speak before, well not unless it's some random chat thing. I was very impressed and moved. Why do people hate her?
I think that America likes to manufacture outrage against the spouses of politicians, usually unfounded. Michelle Obama is actually the most popular political figure in the US at the moment. I say political figure because she doesn't hold an elected position but she's still very influential because she is beloved. She's even more popular than her husband who may be the most popular lame duck president in the history of the US ... somebody may be along to correct me.

Michelle Obama has grown into her role by managing to find her voice without sounding defensive on tough issues. I always found her relatable because she is a lot like myself and the women of my generation, but she didn't always come across as likable. She wasn't always excited about the presidency of her husband, and the stress and danger it would inflict upon her family, and sometimes she wasn't smooth enough to hide it. She's plenty smooth now.

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Old Oct 16th 2016 | 2:59 am
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Oh I absolutely agree. My thought was that hey what if this alleged witness actually was there on the plane and my fevered imagination came up with an even bigger scandal than the one he was trying to cover up.

Sort of "I couldn't have been there because I was somewhere else murdering someone".
Yeah, like, how in the duck does Trump even know this guy?!?!?!
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:13 am
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Great post.

My idea of Boiler is that he's not a troll but he does troll this thread. I also believe that we can be friends with people and also disagree with them.

The unfortunate fallout of this toxic election, 99% of which I blame on Trump, is that it's just not funny anymore. The stakes are too high. So, when the serious nature of the rapey Trump revelations is diminished, I'm getting pissed off. I'm taking it personally. The Michelle Obama speech summed it all up perfectly. This is not normal. This is not okay.

The men on this thread have been fantastic and proven that Trump is a complete anomaly and a pariah --- normal decent men don't behave like Trump and they won't do anything to elevate Trump. Even the ones that seem to support him, have not gone so far as to defend his predatory actions.
If one good thing comes out of this election, I hope it's that it has shone a light on the everyday misogyny and sexual harassment that women still have to suffer.
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
I don't think I've heard her speak before, well not unless it's some random chat thing. I was very impressed and moved. Why do people hate her?
er, the media love her, so does everyone on this thread

but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously

here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
"Presidential debate star Ken Bone hosts Reddit forum called ‘The Bone Zone,’ past posts reveal darker, dirtier side of Bone"

Ken Bone’s 'fetishist' past revealed| Latest News Videos | Fox News

"Ken Bone Linked To Questionable Past Comments On Reddit":

Ken Bone linked to questionable past comments on Reddit | Fox News
nice of you to shine a light on the fact fox is more than just a right wing propaganda machine
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by Abu Nazir
er, the media love her, so does everyone on this thread

but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously

here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws

Holier than thou????

She is a highly educated intelligent lady. If that makes someone "holier than thou" then more power to all the intelligent smart and decent females out there!
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:34 am
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Originally Posted by zargof
If one good thing comes out of this election, I hope it's that it has shone a light on the everyday misogyny and sexual harassment that women still have to suffer.
I agree, although I doubt it will do more than shine a light on something of which every thinking person is already well aware. We should be able to expect something more. This entire election has been a nightmare; and after we wake up on November 9 it will continue to be a nightmare for the next 4 to 8 years.

On another note, has anyone read the wikileaks transcript of HRC's speech to the Goldman Sachs people? Interesting, and her grasp of the international issues shows how Trump could never hope to compete with her. Perhaps only Rubio had a chance.
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:35 am
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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma
Holier than thou????

She is a highly educated intelligent lady. If that makes someone "holier than thou" then more power to all the intelligent smart and decent females out there!
But but but, she's black!
 
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But but but, she's black!
She is? Who would have known...
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:50 am
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Originally Posted by Abu Nazir
er, the media love her, so does everyone on this thread

but to answer your question, she paints herself as above politics and basically holier than than thou (like most dems), but the reality is, she has an agenda like everyone else, and no amount of contrived water works can pretend otherwise. how she can give a speech like that with all the historic allegations against bill clinton, some of them actual offenses, like getting his dick out and demanding paula jones kiss it, then having to pay her off to avoid a criminal trial. well, it's self righteous hypocrisy. even if you want to believe bill clinton didn't rape anyone, he most certainly did plenty of stuff that should make michelle obama's skin crawl if we're to take this speech seriously

here's michelle in 2008 telling an audience hillary clinton isn't fit for the presidency because she couldn't stop bill cheating on her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgNFBqwt5ws
Er, that's not what the video said but that's okay, most people won't have noticed due to your unreadable posting style. Capitalization serves a purpose. Now for your moment of zen ...




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Old Oct 16th 2016 | 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma
Holier than thou????

She is a highly educated intelligent lady. If that makes someone "holier than thou" then more power to all the intelligent smart and decent females out there!
She's been an exceptional first lady -- and, for my money, is the most beautiful woman to have held the office.
 
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Originally Posted by Nutmegger
She's been an exceptional first lady -- and, for my money, is the most beautiful woman to have held the office.
I called out an old BE friend on FB for her nasty name calling of the FLOTUS. It was nasty, uncalled for and totally mean. If she had used the same meaness toward Laura or Barbara Bush I would have done the same thing.
 
Old Oct 16th 2016 | 4:08 am
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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma
Holier than thou????

She is a highly educated intelligent lady. If that makes someone "holier than thou" then more power to all the intelligent smart and decent females out there!
big whoop, she went to college. so did trump

news flash: education doesn't give you the right to preach about morals, it just makes you look self righteous

where's the teary eyed speeches about bill clinton's sex crimes
 


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