2016 Election
Aug 14th 2016 | 2:26 pm
#9481
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Aug 14th 2016 | 3:17 pm
#9482
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Re: 2016 Election
Aug 14th 2016 | 3:25 pm
#9483
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Re: 2016 Election
Apparently Breitbart were so disgusted with the biased skewed polls they commissioned their own...
Hillary leads 42-37 in likely voters.
Hillary leads 42-37 in likely voters.
Aug 14th 2016 | 4:52 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Phew - things are heading in the right direction again (for those of us who view Trump as the lesser of two evils, to pre-empt JerseyGirl's question!).
Hillary 68% vs Trump 32%.
NV, FL, NC, OH, IA and NH all back to blue; only AZ lingers in pink.
What a fickle electorate
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/
Hillary 68% vs Trump 32%.
NV, FL, NC, OH, IA and NH all back to blue; only AZ lingers in pink.
What a fickle electorate
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/
AZ now blue, as well as GA. .
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/
Aug 14th 2016 | 5:24 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Maybe the GOP are planning to dump Trump and replace him with Pence. I think constitutionally this could be done in a case like this whereby the nominee shows an increasing state of mental unbalance, makes wild hallucinatory, unfounded statements about who founded ISIS, thinks that the press are all out to get him and the election will be rigged against him
Aug 14th 2016 | 9:28 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
I don't know. Seems like two of a kind.
Pence: Donald Trump was being 'serious' about Obama and ISIS
Pence: Donald Trump was being 'serious' about Obama and ISIS
Aug 14th 2016 | 11:23 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Donald Trump to outline his vision of how to defeat ISIS shortly. I haven't heard it yet, but no doubt it will include "lots of people saying" what an utter failure the Obama approach has been.
Meanwhile...
Inside ISIS: Quietly preparing for the loss of the ‘caliphate’
Meanwhile...
Inside ISIS: Quietly preparing for the loss of the ‘caliphate’
A remarkable editorial last month in al-Naba, the Islamic State’s weekly Arabic newsletter, offered a gloomy assessment of the caliphate’s prospects, acknowledging the possibility that all its territorial holdings could ultimately be lost.
Just two years ago, jihadist leaders heralded the start of a glorious new epoch in the world’s history with the establishment of their Islamic “caliphate,†which at the time encompassed most of eastern Syria and a vast swath of northern and western Iraq, a combined territory roughly the size of Great Britain
Just two years ago, jihadist leaders heralded the start of a glorious new epoch in the world’s history with the establishment of their Islamic “caliphate,†which at the time encompassed most of eastern Syria and a vast swath of northern and western Iraq, a combined territory roughly the size of Great Britain
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Aug 14th 2016 | 11:30 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Donald Trump to outline his vision of how to defeat ISIS. I haven't heard it but no doubt it will include "lots of people saying" what an utter failure the Obama approach has been.
Meanwhile...
Inside ISIS: Quietly preparing for the loss of the ‘caliphate’
Meanwhile...
Inside ISIS: Quietly preparing for the loss of the ‘caliphate’
Aug 15th 2016 | 12:48 am
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Re: 2016 Election
It does all suggest that Putin may be playing a much much larger game than it appears. We all know he's far from stupid. I'd say Putin exhibits far more experience and intelligence than Trump, especially in global politics (He's Ex-KGB foreign intelligence, and was a KGB lieutenant Colonel.)
OK, not something worthy of hysteria, but keep an eye on this space. Where there's smoke...
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Aug 15th 2016 | 1:05 am
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Re: 2016 Election
I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but all these circumstantial connections between Trump and Putin, along with the refusal of the EU to further consider any future Turkish ascension, the recent coup attempt in Turkey and the shocking political "sanitisation" following it, ErdoÄŸan's recent visit to Russia, Russian political dominance in Syria, and the recently revealed Russian funding of far-right, anti-EU political parties in Europe (there's some evidence he may have indirectly funded UKIP too)...
It does all suggest that Putin may be playing a much much larger game than it appears. We all know he's far from stupid. I'd say Putin exhibits far more experience and intelligence than Trump, especially in global politics (He's Ex-KGB foreign intelligence, and was a KGB lieutenant Colonel.)
OK, not something worthy of hysteria, but keep an eye on this space. Where there's smoke...
It does all suggest that Putin may be playing a much much larger game than it appears. We all know he's far from stupid. I'd say Putin exhibits far more experience and intelligence than Trump, especially in global politics (He's Ex-KGB foreign intelligence, and was a KGB lieutenant Colonel.)
OK, not something worthy of hysteria, but keep an eye on this space. Where there's smoke...
Except where Clinton is concerned then it's all lies spread by the right wing...according to her supporters.
Aug 15th 2016 | 1:13 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Aug 15th 2016 | 1:44 am
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Re: 2016 Election
One more time: Nobody has bothered to attack Sanders.
I don't understand why the Sandernistas have such difficulty grasping the fact that a general election campaign would not resemble anything that Sanders has experienced to date.
The GOP has spent 20+ years attacking Clinton, so it has nothing more to gain -- that damage has already been done. Sanders would be fresh meat who has ample baggage to attack, so it's no surprise that the Republicans would have preferred to have Sanders as an opponent.
Not even Sanders fans want to pay much for healthcare: Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution - Vox They like the general concept, they just don't want to shell out anything for it.
When the GOP PACs start contributing to the public view's of who Bernie Sanders is, his popularity would surely drop. Unlike most politicians who are accused of being socialist, he would actually brag about it, which would only help his opponents. Trump might actually have a fighting chance against Sanders, whereas his odds of being Clinton are low.
I don't understand why the Sandernistas have such difficulty grasping the fact that a general election campaign would not resemble anything that Sanders has experienced to date.
The GOP has spent 20+ years attacking Clinton, so it has nothing more to gain -- that damage has already been done. Sanders would be fresh meat who has ample baggage to attack, so it's no surprise that the Republicans would have preferred to have Sanders as an opponent.
Not even Sanders fans want to pay much for healthcare: Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution - Vox They like the general concept, they just don't want to shell out anything for it.
When the GOP PACs start contributing to the public view's of who Bernie Sanders is, his popularity would surely drop. Unlike most politicians who are accused of being socialist, he would actually brag about it, which would only help his opponents. Trump might actually have a fighting chance against Sanders, whereas his odds of being Clinton are low.
I've no doubt that GOP attacks would affect Sanders' popularity, but he would be starting from a high point, and Trump is hated. You still ignore all the other factors in Sanders favour as well, demographics, Trump's ,imploding dumpster fire of a campaign, Trump's "strengths" of anti free trade, anti establishment, not corrupt, etc. are all Sanders' strengths as well.
Yes, the concept of a socialist is unpopular, but people actually like Uncle Bernie, and it didn't damage him in the primary, so any damage in the general would be minimal. Not to mention it would have to far worse than how Trump has withered under scrutiny.
As for the Vox article, if you just ask about the costs and don't mention the benefits, then yes, it will be less popular. As always when you get into the details it loses popularity. It's still preferred to Clinton and Trump's healthcare plans.
Poll: Majority supports Sanders-like health care plan - POLITICO
Aug 15th 2016 | 1:50 am
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Re: 2016 Election
It's hard to speculate how Sanders would have performed one on one with Trump. I recall all those early polls saying only Sanders beat each candidate one on one. But the current situation is nothing like those polls. Would Trump be melting down so badly if he wasn't losing to a girl? Would Sanders actually be able to withstand scrutiny? They've been scrutinizing Hillary for 25+ years very little has stuck.
Too many variables to guess how it might have been. I suspect as with Trump that sanders' support in the wider population is not as strong as it seemed just from his fanatics.
Too many variables to guess how it might have been. I suspect as with Trump that sanders' support in the wider population is not as strong as it seemed just from his fanatics.
I don't think being beaten by a girl is relevant, as any time in the primaries polls showed he wasn't winning he started whining about it being rigged. And you say none of it stuck, perhaps look at Clinton's favourability numbers.
It's speculation sure, but all the evidence from the polls, Trump imploding etc., suggests an easy win for Sanders.
Most popular politician in the country vs. the most hated wouldn't even be a contest.
And let's not forget, Sanders would have the Boiler and JG votes wrapped up...
Aug 15th 2016 | 1:52 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Obviously a primary that consists of a relatively small number of diehards at one end of the political spectrum is just like a general election with marginally attached voters from both major parties and independents **cough cough**.
