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Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12026223)

http://www.sonsoflibertytees.com/sho...ethumb.400.jpg

No, I meant a huge penis.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12026260)

I can not see it here, but copied it into another tab to see it.

How odd. Jersey can see it but we can't.

Which browser are you using JG?

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12026264)

How odd. Jersey can see it but we can't.

Which browser are you using JG?

Safari. Just tried Chrome...can't see it...but can using Safari. :confused:

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by anotherlimey (Post 12026263)

No, I meant a huge penis.

L O L A .... Lola.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12026122)

Really? A quick search of this thread tells me that, according to you, if I vote for Hillary I'm either dead or stupidly gullible.

My vote is for gullible

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by jeepster (Post 12026295)

My vote is for gullible

:thumbdown:

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12026238)

Whoops, sorry Eccles, I didn't mean to shoot you ... that post was meant for the 2nd Amendment People. ;)

BTW - does my youtube link work --- in my previous post? :confused: I can't see it. :confused:

It's not working as normal; typically, videos play 'in place', but now, all I see is an empty box and the word youtube at the top; and when I click it, it launches the video in a separate window. I've noticed this for a day or two. This is in IE (bound to stir a response from Boiler...).

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12026238)

Showing up as normal for me.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12025654)

So Bernie Sanders has influenced aspects of the Clinton agenda, which in turn won't make it through Congress because there is a Republican House that won't vote for it.

Clinton isn't going to get much if anything done anyway because her last name is Clinton. But what it does is move the Overton window and start to move politics back to the left.

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12025654)

That's nice but it won't accomplish much. Sanders' track record as a legislator is pretty unimpressive because he can't turn his rhetoric into law. It's not enough to talk; getting things done requires support from other legislators and deal cutting, not just speeches to earnest white kids. One reason that he did not win much minority support is because those groups have come to expect tangible results, and Sanders simply does not have many bragging rights in that department.

Another canard, Sanders is pragmatic enough to know that his idea have been outside the mainstream in Congress, so most of the changes he's made have been via amendments.

Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You | Alternet

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12025654)

Incidentally, I'm glad that he was involved in the primaries because i do believe that he had a net positive effect on the Democratic agenda. But I'm glad that he lost because his contributions are ultimately more about tone than they are about results, and his insistence on being the proud independent socialist was only going to lead the Dems to the slaughterhouse. Clinton is not beloved, but she can win the election.

Do you really believe that Sanders would be losing to Trump? What would have happened that would mean that Sanders' 10-15% lead in the polls would have evaporated? Why would his favourability have gone from +5 to -20? Would Trump have called him Crazy Bernie a few more times? Would he have said he was going to raise taxes? Would he have said his policies were pie in the sky? Do you really think that all of a sudden these attacks would be effective. Not to mention the demographic advantages Democrats have.

None of Trump's most effective attacks against Clinton would work against Sanders. Establishment, corrupt, emails, Benghazi etc.

So are you really saying that you think Sanders would lose to Trump? Because that does seem like that is based on reality.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12025873)

I disagree. Zargof has been the best source of arguments against Clinton and he's a freakin' liberal. There are only a couple of die-hard Hillary supporters on this thread. There have been plenty of critics and critiques of Clinton on this thread.

:heart:

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12025873)

I'm getting a little sick of being told, on this thread, that I'm blinkered and stupid because I won't disavow Clinton. Look at my ****ing choices. Seriously.

That's true, but by the same token, it gets boring being told (not by you personally) that you have to vote Clinton because there is no alternative, and don't criticise Clinton because that might help Trump.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12026521)

:heart:

That's true, but by the same token, it gets boring being told (not by you personally) that you have to vote Clinton because there is no alternative, and don't criticise Clinton because that might help Trump.

I know. You have to vote you conscience. Unless your conscience tells you to vote for Trump --- in which case you should be lobotomized.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by jeepster (Post 12026295)

My vote is for gullible

Says the poster child for the reinstatement of leucotomy .

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12026327)

Yeah, I'm using Edge (is that verboten?) and I've noticed that videos haven't been working just lately.

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12026539)

I know. You have to vote you conscience. Unless your conscience tells you to vote for Trump --- in which case you should be lobotomized.

Well, it's not so much voting your conscience, more of a case of the difference between voting for a candidate and supporting a candidate.