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Giantaxe Aug 12th 2016 5:07 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12025334)
And yet during the primary, he was painted as a tax hiking socialist and his popularity went up, weird...

All rather moot given he garnered a lot fewer votes than his opponent.

RoadWarriorFromLP Aug 12th 2016 5:11 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12025334)
No, what I've consistently said is that it's all about getting the best deal possible. To do that, you propose a whole loaf, then you end up with half. It seems your approach is to negotiate with yourself and propose a half loaf and be happy if you get crumbs.

Progressives are outnumbered by conservatives within the Democratic party, not to mention the country at large.

There's no path for progressives for getting much of they want until they can turn more voters into progressives. (And no, winning Democratic primaries is not enough; Democrats must field candidates who can win general elections in order to avoid losing to the Republicans.)

This isn't that complicated. It's a numbers game, and progressives don't have the numbers. Ignoring the numbers won't improve them.

zargof Aug 12th 2016 5:15 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12025337)
All rather moot given he garnered a lot fewer votes than his opponent.

Yes, he wasn't able to overcome the intrinsic advantages that his opponent had. But that's not the point being argued.

zargof Aug 12th 2016 5:41 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12025341)
Progressives are outnumbered by conservatives within the Democratic party, not to mention the country at large.

There's no path for progressives for getting much of they want until they can turn more voters into progressives. (And no, winning Democratic primaries is not enough; Democrats must field candidates who can win general elections in order to avoid losing to the Republicans.)

This isn't that complicated. It's a numbers game, and progressives don't have the numbers. Ignoring the numbers won't improve them.

Actually, there are a lot more progressives in the country, they just don't vote. If there was a way to get more non voters to vote, that would push the needle.
If Everyone Voted, Progressives Would Win | Al Jazeera America

That, plus getting money out of politics. I think Bernie Sanders has started to move the Overton window back to the left, it just remains to be seen if the movement will continue after this election.

But the main point I was making is to capitalise on the gains made by Sanders as much as possible. I don't know why you think that is delusional.

morpeth Aug 12th 2016 6:57 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12025341)
Progressives are outnumbered by conservatives within the Democratic party, not to mention the country at large.

There's no path for progressives for getting much of they want until they can turn more voters into progressives. (And no, winning Democratic primaries is not enough; Democrats must field candidates who can win general elections in order to avoid losing to the Republicans.)

This isn't that complicated. It's a numbers game, and progressives don't have the numbers. Ignoring the numbers won't improve them.

If Hilary can get away claiming her policies will help businesses grow, progressives certainly can also tailor their message accordingly. And once new entitlements put in place kind of hard to take away, or to control costs so 4 years of Hilary will prepare the country for a more progressive President.

Not sure the definition of "conservatives in the democrat party" fits reality. What are usually considered conservative principles or beliefs do not fit within the platform of the party or the "plan" of Hilary.

scrubbedexpat099 Aug 12th 2016 7:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Seem Hillary's charitable donations are mainly to her.

Who could have guessed it?

dakota44 Aug 12th 2016 7:32 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Good description of Trumps alledged business success.

"But for me, the words that best summed up the financial nonsense that led to the bankruptcy of Trump’s businesses were uttered in the early 1990s by the dean of financial journalists, Floyd Norris. He said that someday we all would have to explain to our children and grandchildren the bizarre story of Donald Trump, how so many banks behaved so recklessly to benefit a man who was obviously little more than a carnival barker. The answer, Floyd said, was: “You just had to be there. It can’t be explained rationally.”

anotherlimey Aug 12th 2016 7:38 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12025415)
Seem Hillary's charitable donations are mainly to her.

Who could have guessed it?

Well a fifth of Donald's campaign expenses are for Trump-owned services.

morpeth Aug 12th 2016 7:50 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by anotherlimey (Post 12025427)
Well a fifth of Donald's campaign expenses are for Trump-owned services.

I had a chuckle when initially he said he was funding the campaign, but by loans initially. Made me wonder whether he thought he could go through campaign and get paid back.

amideislas Aug 12th 2016 8:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12025415)
Seem Hillary's charitable donations are mainly to her.

Who could have guessed it?

How dubious can you get? Giving to your own charities.

Trump doesn't do that, he makes everybody else pay. And he doesn't have charities. Nothing is free and being so naive as to give money away is only a concealed way to take tax deductions. Besides, she's an idiot to even release her tax returns. The biased media will only find out how stupid she is. You can bet Trump won't do that.

Giantaxe Aug 12th 2016 8:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12025415)
Seem Hillary's charitable donations are mainly to her.

Who could have guessed it?

Mainly to the Clinton Foundation.

Perhaps we could compare against Trump's charitable contributions? Oh...

sir_eccles Aug 12th 2016 9:52 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Talking of money, what's Trump spending his on?

Trump's Missing Money

Nutmegger Aug 12th 2016 10:50 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12025415)
Seem Hillary's charitable donations are mainly to her.

Who could have guessed it?

Why on earth wouldn't she donate to a charity that has her full support? I volunteer with local organizations and that is where I focus my charitable giving; it would make no sense not to.

dakota44 Aug 12th 2016 1:20 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
I guess there will some harrassment at the polls in PA.

Donald Trump says the only way he will lose the election in Pennsylvania is if his opponents cheat. "We're going to watch Pennsylvania. Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times," Trump said during a Friday rally in Pennsylvania. "If you do that, we're not going to lose. The only way we can lose, in my opinion -- I really mean this, Pennsylvania -- is if cheating goes on."
An NBC/WSJ/Marist poll released August 7 showed Trump trailing Clinton 11 points in Pennsylvania.

scrubbedexpat099 Aug 12th 2016 1:37 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 12025555)
Why on earth wouldn't she donate to a charity that has her full support? I volunteer with local organizations and that is where I focus my charitable giving; it would make no sense not to.

I am going to guess it is not the Nutmegger Foundation.


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