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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12025598)
I am going to guess it is not the Nutmegger Foundation.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12025598)
I am going to guess it is not the Nutmegger Foundation.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 12025600)
All you've shown us is that she's put money into the foundation. That's sort of the idea. Unless you can show where she's taken money out of the foundation, your post is a pro-Hillary sentiment.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Nutmegger
(Post 12025605)
Are you really not familiar with charitable foundations? People with eponymous foundations donate to their own, not to other people's. They set them up for a reason: to fund a pet cause. You are just being deliberately obtuse.
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12025610)
Indeed. Just as Bill Gates giving large chunks of his wealth to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a pro-Gates sentiment.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12025598)
I am going to guess it is not the Nutmegger Foundation.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12025593)
I guess there will some harrassment at the polls in PA.
Donald Trump says the only way he will lose the election in Pennsylvania is if his opponents cheat. "We're going to watch Pennsylvania. Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times," Trump said during a Friday rally in Pennsylvania. "If you do that, we're not going to lose. The only way we can lose, in my opinion -- I really mean this, Pennsylvania -- is if cheating goes on." An NBC/WSJ/Marist poll released August 7 showed Trump trailing Clinton 11 points in Pennsylvania. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Nutmegger
(Post 12025605)
Are you really not familiar with charitable foundations? People with eponymous foundations donate to their own, not to other people's. They set them up for a reason: to fund a pet cause. You are just being deliberately obtuse.
The Clintons receive high income from speaking fees, as well as donations to their foundation, obviously many people who pay those fees or make the donations wish to get access- and just as obviously the Clintons have been masters at building networks. Sure maybe Chelsea gets paid more than her experience or abilities may merit, and the Clinton's get fringe benefits such as travel expense or simply building up favors. Just the way the game is played on all sides, just Hilary seems to go beyond what others do. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12025643)
Foundations are also set up to avoid estate taxes and other taxes.
The Clintons receive high income from speaking fees, as well as donations to their foundation, obviously many people who pay those fees or make the donations wish to get access- and just as obviously the Clintons have been masters at building networks. Sure maybe Chelsea gets paid more than her experience or abilities may merit, and the Clinton's get fringe benefits such as travel expense or simply building up favors. Just the way the game is played on all sides, just Hilary seems to go beyond what others do. |
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12025643)
Foundations are also set up to avoid estate taxes and other taxes.
The Clintons receive high income from speaking fees, as well as donations to their foundation, obviously many people who pay those fees or make the donations wish to get access- and just as obviously the Clintons have been masters at building networks. Sure maybe Chelsea gets paid more than her experience or abilities may merit, and the Clinton's get fringe benefits such as travel expense or simply building up favors. Just the way the game is played on all sides, just Hilary seems to go beyond what others do. So she avoided taxes using a foundation, yet still paid over $3m on $10m? And avoiding estate taxes? So she put her estate in this foundation also? Time to cash in on that MBA you have. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12025364)
But the main point I was making is to capitalise on the gains made by Sanders as much as possible. I don't know why you think that is delusional.
That's nice but it won't accomplish much. Sanders' track record as a legislator is pretty unimpressive because he can't turn his rhetoric into law. It's not enough to talk; getting things done requires support from other legislators and deal cutting, not just speeches to earnest white kids. One reason that he did not win much minority support is because those groups have come to expect tangible results, and Sanders simply does not have many bragging rights in that department. Incidentally, I'm glad that he was involved in the primaries because i do believe that he had a net positive effect on the Democratic agenda. But I'm glad that he lost because his contributions are ultimately more about tone than they are about results, and his insistence on being the proud independent socialist was only going to lead the Dems to the slaughterhouse. Clinton is not beloved, but she can win the election. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12025645)
You are so biased. By the way..the Clintons paid 34.2% in federal taxes...and a rate of over 40% in state and city taxes. No tax avoidance there. They also had charitable contributions of a million dollars.
As far as the Clinton's tax rate is concerned, my understanding is much of their income is from speaking fees and the like so it would be normal their tax rate higher than someone who had more deductions or ability to structure how they received income. How many people voluntarily pay more taxes than they need to ? The problem is the tax code that both democrats and republicans over the years have not reformed- increasing tax rates on the super wealthy will not alone necessarily make the super wealth pay the same rate as anyone else let alone a higher rate. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12025643)
Sure maybe Chelsea gets paid more than her experience or abilities may merit
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 12025650)
Lol. Like I said, you're all the same.
So she avoided taxes using a foundation, yet still paid over $3m on $10m? And avoiding estate taxes? So she put her estate in this foundation also? Time to cash in on that MBA you have. To know whether she gained a tax advantage it most likely would be when the foundation was set up in most cases I am aware of, but again my impression would be her foundation would not have been set up for a tax advantage. I do not know the conflict of interest laws well enough to have an opinion. The foundations seems to be doing very good work, and I do not think that it is odd that donors may ask for introductions or access. As far as Clinton's tax rate I am unaware that it is patriotic to pay more than you need to so for me it is immaterial whether they paid 40% or 10%- my problem is with the tax code hat allows super-wealthy to pay a lower effective tax rate than the working class. |
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