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dakota44 Aug 10th 2016 4:23 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12024296)
Oh dear, this comes across as pure petulance, Limey. I'm not sure I've ever been accused of being a Republican before - even implicitly. I am in fact a human-rights advocate of many years' standing. Therefore, on behalf of the innocent victims of US expansionism I am extremely fearful of a continuation of the Bush/Obama policy of bombing the shit out of villagers in the Middle East. If you disapprove of that stance, perhaps you should take a second look at your ethical standards - and not waste time trying to figure out where the rest of us get our ideas from.

But you were fine with the 100's of thousands of innocents who were killed in Bush' ill advised invasion of Iraq? And apparently have no issues with Trump wanting to kill the families of supposed terrorists..or even more frighteningly asking why, if we have nukes, we shouldn't use them. Republicans are the 'go to' war party. One would imagine you would be aware of that.

Gordon Barlow Aug 10th 2016 4:58 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 12024305)
But you were fine with the 100's of thousands of innocents who were killed in Bush' ill advised invasion of Iraq?

Don't be silly. how could any human-rights person - or anybody with an ounce of compassion - be "fine" an atrocity like that?

dc koop Aug 10th 2016 5:02 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
It's quite obvious that Trump has an election campaign branch office in the Cayman Islands where no doubt a large part of his wealth is stashed away in that haven for tax dodging parasites

dc koop Aug 10th 2016 5:06 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
Trump should be interviewed by the Secret Service over his 2 amendment remarks. Anybody else making a statement like that would have set of alarm bells immediately

moneypenny20 Aug 10th 2016 9:27 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12024314)
Trump should be interviewed by the Secret Service over his 2 amendment remarks. Anybody else making a statement like that would have set of alarm bells immediately

If someone listened to Trump and went out and took a shot at Clinton, could Trump be prosecuted for incitement?

anotherlimey Aug 10th 2016 10:39 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12024296)
Oh dear, this comes across as pure petulance, Limey. I'm not sure I've ever been accused of being a Republican before - even implicitly. I am in fact a human-rights advocate of many years' standing. Therefore, on behalf of the innocent victims of US expansionism I am extremely fearful of a continuation of the Bush/Obama policy of bombing the shit out of villagers in the Middle East. If you disapprove of that stance, perhaps you should take a second look at your ethical standards - and not waste time trying to figure out where the rest of us get our ideas from.

Oh please, cut it out. Your concern for human rights is a facade.

SultanOfSwing Aug 11th 2016 1:26 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12024369)
If someone listened to Trump and went out and took a shot at Clinton, could Trump be prosecuted for incitement?

Do you think Hillary would be willing to don a Kevlar vest and take one for the team?

scrubbedexpat099 Aug 11th 2016 1:32 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12024483)
Do you think Hillary would be willing to don a Kevlar vest and take one for the team?

Not sure about the need for Kevlar.

SultanOfSwing Aug 11th 2016 1:39 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12024489)
Not sure about the need for Kevlar.

You know that bit at the end of the Sgt Pepper LP where it loops 'never could be any other way' ad infinitum?

That's not a fraction as repetitive as you are.

dc koop Aug 11th 2016 2:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Most assassinations of public figures have been caused by hatred and incitement from extremist groups.

I'm just wondering how many sickos among Trump supporters are out there interpreting Trump's remarks as a call to action.

sir_eccles Aug 11th 2016 3:16 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12024529)
Most assassinations of public figures have been caused by hatred and incitement from extremist groups.

I'm just wondering how many sickos among Trump supporters are out there interpreting Trump's remarks as a call to action.

Reagan's daughter pretty much just said the same thing.
Ronald Reagan's Daughter Blasts Trump's 'Verbal Violence' - ABC News

anotherlimey Aug 11th 2016 3:35 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12024565)
Reagan's daughter pretty much just said the same thing.
Ronald Reagan's Daughter Blasts Trump's 'Verbal Violence' - ABC News

You should read some of the things written on pro-gun forums. What Trump said about Hillary and the 2nd Amendment supporters is pretty mild in comparison.

RoadWarriorFromLP Aug 11th 2016 4:13 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12024310)
Don't be silly. how could any human-rights person - or anybody with an ounce of compassion - be "fine" an atrocity like that?

I get the impression that you are more interested in complaining about Clinton than in knowing what she actually did.

This was her floor speech during 2002:


I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.
She went on at length about the risks of a unilateral attack. The Bush policy did not correspond with the parameters laid out in her speech.

Your cartoon version of Clinton does not match reality. You seem to enjoy complaining for the sake of it.

dc koop Aug 11th 2016 4:29 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12024565)
Reagan's daughter pretty much just said the same thing.
Ronald Reagan's Daughter Blasts Trump's 'Verbal Violence' - ABC News

The problem is that no one knows what's really on this man's mind. It could just be that he's an oaf inclined to thoughts of violence whose mouth works five times faster than his brain.

Why his campaign manager bothers to go on is a mystery or maybe it's uttering the kind of stuff that he does has been so successful in getting him to the point where he is now. He's playing a dangerous game though.

Giantaxe Aug 11th 2016 4:33 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 12024598)
I get the impression that you are more interested in complaining about Clinton than in knowing what she actually did.

It would certainly be interesting to know Gordon's views on Trump's stance on using nuclear weapons, waterboarding and killing the families of known terrorists. For someone who claims to be so concerned about human rights, he's been conspicuously silent on this thread about it.


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