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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12015342)
Sure that's all true. Although I wonder about the debates. What if Hillary made Trump look like an idiot who knew nothing about policy in the debates. Would the bullshit sexism in the country make that a bad thing. If the situation was reversed it would be bad, like when Biden debated Palin, he had to go easy so as not to look mean to a woman.
Another thought I had: there was a big appeal to Republicans at the DNC by saying Trump doesn't represent them and they should vote for Hillary instead. Now that has danger of alienating the left, and I thought the balance was about right. But doesn't this also run the risk of losses down ticket? If you tie all the GOP senators and Congressmen to Trump, then people would be less likely to vote for them, maybe stay at home. Now they could leave President black and go red down ticket. |
Re: 2016 Election
I have to believe that the likes of ISIS literally get erections over the thought of a Trump presidency. Alas, they can finally celebrate the full realisation of the very holy war they've always aspired to instigate.
And with the likes of Trump at the helm, and his "us against them" anti-muslim policies will serve as final proof beyond any doubt that the west always was "at war with Islam", and that the US in particular now represents an existential "threat" to Islam itself. This represents the most compelling call to recruitment that ISIS could ever wish for. Virtually the entire Muslim population of the world would have little reason to believe otherwise. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12015738)
I have to believe that the likes of ISIS literally get erections over the thought of a Trump presidency. Alas, they can finally celebrate the full realisation of the very holy war they've always aspired to instigate.
And with the likes of Trump at the helm, and his "us against them" anti-muslim policies will serve as final proof beyond any doubt that the west always was "at war with Islam", and that the US in particular now represents an existential "threat" to Islam itself. This represents the most compelling call to recruitment that ISIS could ever wish for. Virtually the entire Muslim population of the world would have little reason to believe otherwise. Maybe you are correct that a Trump presidency could have the effect you describe, maybe a different stronger approach could reduce the threat posed by Islamic extremists. Seems hard to decide which is more probable. My opinion though is more of the same will not drastically change current trends. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12015758)
ISIS already believes the West is an existential threat to Islam, and the policies of the last years don't seem to be too successful in reducing the appeal of Islamic extremism to certain sections of the Muslim population.
Maybe you are correct that a Trump presidency could have the effect you describe, maybe a different stronger approach could reduce the threat posed by Islamic extremists. Seems hard to decide which is more probable. My opinion though is more of the same will not drastically change current trends. Status quo not working? Not sure of that. Islamic extremism has only declined in the past 5 years. Their message is not winning the hearts and minds of the Muslim world, because there's simply less and less evidence that suggests Islam itself is under existential attack. However, western extremism is on the rise. And that is playing no small part in Trump's success. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12015729)
Quite agree Trump faces a huge challenge in the debates, they probably will decide the election in my opinion.
When Trump speaks, a liberal hears a crude, meanspirited bigot who is catering to the lowest common denominator. A Trump supporter hears a straight shooter who is telling it like it is. Attacking Trump for being dumb and nasty only bolsters his support among his committed fans. He ends up looking like a straight shooter who tells it like it is AND who has the courage to stand up to liberals. |
Re: 2016 Election
I'm in Kansas city visiting the in-laws right now. Some interesting observations. Yes in the more rural areas there are"America first Trump 2016" signs. On the other hand life long Republican people like my fil seem genuinely unsure what to do.
I know it's anecdotal but I get the feeling there maybe more undecideds than people think. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 12015593)
Is this as good as it sounds? I hadn't heard much about it until I read this ...
Courts Crush Voter Suppression Just in Time for Election Day - The Daily Beast Extract: |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12015229)
Who is "we"?
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 12015807)
I'm in Kansas city visiting the in-laws right now. Some interesting observations. Yes in the more rural areas there are"America first Trump 2016" signs. On the other hand life long Republican people like my fil seem genuinely unsure what to do.
I know it's anecdotal but I get the feeling there maybe more undecideds than people think. |
Re: 2016 Election
The general reaction I hear to Trump is somewhat bemused, but the feeling about Crooked Hillary is common and may be the deciding factor.
If either party had produced a half acceptable candidate they would have walked it. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12015842)
The general reaction I hear to Trump is somewhat bemused, but the feeling about Crooked Hillary is common and may be the deciding factor.
If either party had produced a half acceptable candidate they would have walked it. |
Re: 2016 Election
Spoiler:
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 12015807)
I'm in Kansas city visiting the in-laws right now. Some interesting observations. Yes in the more rural areas there are"America first Trump 2016" signs. On the other hand life long Republican people like my fil seem genuinely unsure what to do.
I know it's anecdotal but I get the feeling there maybe more undecideds than people think. This guy was definitely not the knuckle-dragging low-information voter that we think of as a Trump supporter. Very depressing conversation! |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12015785)
ISIS does, but they represent only a small minority of the Muslim world. A Trump presidency, presuming he continues the anti-Muslim rhetoric and takes political or military action against Islam as a whole, would radically increase enrollment into extremist jihadi ideology. Bear in mind, that 22% of the world's population is Muslim, or about 1.5 billion people. Imagine if they all were convinced that they were under existential threat...
Status quo not working? Not sure of that. Islamic extremism has only declined in the past 5 years. Their message is not winning the hearts and minds of the Muslim world, because there's simply less and less evidence that suggests Islam itself is under existential attack. However, western extremism is on the rise. And that is playing no small part in Trump's success. I am unaware that what is taught in radical muslim Madrassa schools or Mosques will change much regardless of the pronouncement of Western leaders. Is there less territory controlled by Muslim extremists now compared to 15 years ago ? Are there less terrorist or terrorist inspired acts of violence now compared to 15 years ago ? Are there less sections of major European cities where were non-Muslims feel safe to enter than 15 years ago ? I admit I can only by the news and people I know in Europe, if there is any serious study that confirms the situation is better than 15 years ago, or trends show that the threat will decline in the future I would be interested to read. The argument should avoid inflaming the rest of the Muslim world I agree would appear to have a certain logic, but doesn't seem to be working too well. |
Re: 2016 Election
No mention of the Khan speech? He literally killed Trump at the podium on Thursday.
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