2016 Election
#7261
It's a FACT that he didn't think Trump would win the GOP nomination despite the polls showing otherwise. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with him.
#7262
Yes, God forbid that we rely upon historical trends to understand what is going on.
The reality is that a lot of Americans don't care about politics. If you want any proof of that, then all you need to do is to compare voter turnout in the primaries vs. turnout in general elections. Don't confuse your fixation on the election with the average person's level of interest.
The reality is that a lot of Americans don't care about politics. If you want any proof of that, then all you need to do is to compare voter turnout in the primaries vs. turnout in general elections. Don't confuse your fixation on the election with the average person's level of interest.
with rules with the reality of the exceptions that prove them.aka: "real life"
#7263
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You're engaging in the so-and-so-is-a-failure-because-he-isn't-perfect fallacy.
#7264
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If the numbers of those polls were reversed, I would be saying exactly the same thing: It's too early to bank on general election polls, particularly when one of the parties has supporters who are convinced that there isn't yet a presumptive nominee.
#7265
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And it's a fact that Silver says it's too early to start making predictions about the general election. So... how is this even relevant?
#7268
What head-to-head election polls tell us about November
#7269
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I'm baffled at the logic of your argumentation here, although I do share your concern that we could well end up with a President Trump.
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#7270
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Yes he says it's too early, but what is the evidence? Historical precedence? Turns out at this stage in the general election polls are pretty predictive.
What head-to-head election polls tell us about November
What head-to-head election polls tell us about November
You've also been selective in your use of numbers. Using averages of the last several Trump vs Clinton state polls per Real Clear Politics:
-Clinton leads Trump in Florida: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida: Trump vs. Clinton
-Clinton leads Trump in Ohio: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton
-Clinton leads Trump in Pennsylvania: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton
I realize that you want to hang onto your "Sanders was more electable than Clinton" argument, but that's starting to sound like sour grapes, given the commanding lead that Clinton has in the Democratic primary popular vote tally.
You should also note that I would not use the polling results to conclude that Clinton is sure to win Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. As I noted before, it's too early.
#7271
I don't understand why you're baffled. It seems straightforward enough to me.
#7272
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So, yeh, I'm baffled.
#7274
A guy I said was wrong this time, even though he got it right in 2012. And yes you did. The aim of your post was to show that Silver thinks that general election polls don't matter at this point in the election.



