2016 Election
#6497
Unless you are a member of the party, it's not really your concern.
And if Sanders wanted to have more than a snowball's chance in Hades of being the nominee, then he should have joined the party and showed his fellow party members that he could be a team player and was worthy of some allies. At this point, the basic issue is that they can't trust him.
And if Sanders wanted to have more than a snowball's chance in Hades of being the nominee, then he should have joined the party and showed his fellow party members that he could be a team player and was worthy of some allies. At this point, the basic issue is that they can't trust him.
#6498
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It's different on a national level. The president is effectively the leader of the party. Why would a political party or, for that matter, just about any other organization on the planet want someone who isn't a member to lead them?
#6499
If he had a Democratic rival in Vermont, then that obviously wouldn't be the case. He's popular locally and there's no need to groom a competitor there.
It's different on a national level. The president is effectively the leader of the party. Why would a political party or, for that matter, just about any other organization on the planet want someone who isn't a member to lead them?
It's different on a national level. The president is effectively the leader of the party. Why would a political party or, for that matter, just about any other organization on the planet want someone who isn't a member to lead them?
If the party thought he was more popular and more electable than Clinton, then I think the party would get behind him.
#6502
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In 1996 the party supported Sanders over Democrat Jack Long. In 2006 when Sanders ran for Senate the party worked for prevent any Democrats running against him.
If the party thought he was more popular and more electable than Clinton, then I think the party would get behind him.
If the party thought he was more popular and more electable than Clinton, then I think the party would get behind him.
To that extent, this mirrors the problem that the GOP establishment has with Trump. There are some policy differences, but much of it comes down to the lack of loyalty and the inability to trust him.
#6503
I would expect that only sheer desperation would drive party loyalists into the arms of an independent for a presidential race.
To that extent, this mirrors the problem that the GOP establishment has with Trump. There are some policy differences, but much of it comes down to the lack of loyalty and the inability to trust him.
To that extent, this mirrors the problem that the GOP establishment has with Trump. There are some policy differences, but much of it comes down to the lack of loyalty and the inability to trust him.
Ron Paul has been in the GOP for decades, but I don't think the leadership would want him nominated for President, similarly the DNC wouldn't want Dennis Kucinich as the nominee. Electabiity is far more important than affiliation.
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The problem for the GOP has nothing to do with loyalty, rather it's because Trump being the nominee will mean the party is destroyed in the general election and not just for President, but down ticket as well.
Ron Paul has been in the GOP for decades, but I don't think the leadership would want him nominated for President, similarly the DNC wouldn't want Dennis Kucinich as the nominee. Electabiity is far more important than affiliation.
Ron Paul has been in the GOP for decades, but I don't think the leadership would want him nominated for President, similarly the DNC wouldn't want Dennis Kucinich as the nominee. Electabiity is far more important than affiliation.
Trump creates broader institutional problems for the party. His anti-trade and aggressive nativism are turn-offs to corporate donors who want the free flow of capital and labor, as is his lack of commitment to low taxes for the affluent and corporations.
But again, much of it is about the fact that they cannot trust him to be loyal to the party. Ted Cruz is largely in the same boat, but at least he's a member of the party.
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#6506
What is interesting is the comments sections on the articles are almost intelligent with some coherent arguments.
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Yes, the comments on that website are often well worth a read.
#6509
Glutton for punishment?
The CNN election year money machine - (like a nymphomaniac - can't ever get enough) will treat us to yet ANOTHER episode of the Republican 3 Musketeers:
Tonight - 8:00PM est
Who's gonna hurl insults at whose what?
The CNN election year money machine - (like a nymphomaniac - can't ever get enough) will treat us to yet ANOTHER episode of the Republican 3 Musketeers:
Tonight - 8:00PM est
Who's gonna hurl insults at whose what?
#6510
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Latest Hillary rumours sound amusing.




