British Expats - 2016 Election

ISIS are really more of an international threat at this time than they were in, say 1937.

Really all I'm getting at is that the whole ISIS/the wider Islamic world equivalency is disingenuous and shouldn't be encouraged or perpetuated but I think you probably agree on that one anyway.

Right, ISIS shouldn't be equated to the wider muslim population in the same sense that Nazis don't represent the entirety of the german population.

scrubbedexpat099

Mar 22nd 2016 8:22 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11902964)

Or gypsy or gay or black or a pedant.

Right, ISIS shouldn't be equated to the wider muslim population in the same sense that Nazis don't represent the entirety of the german population.

There were of course good Germans.

SultanOfSwing

Mar 22nd 2016 8:26 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11902964)

Or gypsy or gay or black or a pedant.

Pulaski would have been ****ed - a pedant and a Slavic name :blink:

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11902964)

Right, ISIS shouldn't be equated to the wider muslim population in the same sense that Nazis don't represent the entirety of the german population.

That was my main aim. Utterly poorly implemented, of course, but you get the gist ...

RoadWarriorFromLP

Mar 22nd 2016 8:27 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11902901)

We need to break the cycle by tempering our response and trying to find lasting solutions by dealing with these organizations at the source...

ISIS is a byproduct of the power vacuum that was inadvertently created by the US in Iraq, so it's a bit late for that now.

It would help if the Europeans didn't do such a fine job of alienating their immigrant populations, but that would take ages to fix even if they wanted to.

sir_eccles

Mar 22nd 2016 8:28 am

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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11902972)

Yeah, anyone got a time machine.

It is an archetypal "well, I wouldn't start from here" situation.

scrubbedexpat099

Mar 22nd 2016 8:30 am

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Steerpike

Mar 22nd 2016 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11902964)

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Right, ISIS shouldn't be equated to the wider muslim population in the same sense that Nazis don't represent the entirety of the german population.

As simple a statement as this is, it speaks volumes. I wonder why we don't hear it more.

Jerseygirl

Mar 22nd 2016 9:10 am

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11902995)

As simple a statement as this is, it speaks volumes. I wonder why we don't hear it more.

Whilst I agree with you...maybe it's because the WWII was over 70 years ago. ISIS is a current threat to the world.

SultanOfSwing

Mar 22nd 2016 9:13 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11903020)

Whilst I agree with you...maybe it's because the WWII was over 70 years ago. ISIS is a current threat to the world.

The part about Nazi Germany doesn't have to be included, it only came up because Boiler and I got sidetracked. I mentioned the war - think I got away with it.

But the point is the same. ISIS can and should be dealt with without any kind of backlash to the wider Muslim population, since ISIS is essentially against them as well.

scrubbedexpat099

Mar 22nd 2016 9:17 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11903027)

But the point is the same. ISIS can and should be dealt with without any kind of backlash to the wider Muslim population, since ISIS is essentially against them as well.

I am having trouble visualising this, could you give us an example?

sir_eccles

Mar 22nd 2016 9:20 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11903035)

I am having trouble visualising this, could you give us an example?

Pentagon releases video of US airstrike on ISIS bank | Daily Mail Online

Sorry for the daily fail link, first one that came up.

SultanOfSwing

Mar 22nd 2016 9:23 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11903035)

I am having trouble visualising this, could you give us an example?

I have probably simplified and hyperbolized (which is now a word) the matter but here goes.

The people who are capturing and beheading people 'in the name of Allah' to further whatever cause they think they have should be dealt with clinically and definitively. Surgical strikes, in-out, done.

The Muslim guy who runs the chemist down the road who has nothing to do with any of this can be left alone.

scrubbedexpat099

Mar 22nd 2016 9:35 am

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Surgical Strikes?

In the real world no such thing.

scrubbedexpat099

Mar 22nd 2016 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11903041)

Pentagon releases video of US airstrike on ISIS bank | Daily Mail Online

Sorry for the daily fail link, first one that came up.

US military personnel face punishment over Afghan hospital strike | US news | The Guardian

SultanOfSwing

Mar 22nd 2016 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11903055)

Surgical Strikes?

In the real world no such thing.

I know there has to be an acceptable margin of error, I'm not naive. By 'surgical' I mean 'with as little collateral damage as possible'. At least with targeted air strikes, rather than a ground troops operation, we can try to maximize accuracy and effect.

I think everybody knows exactly what will be involved in order to correctly take on ISIS - it won't be tea parties and bake sales.

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