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Originally Posted by zargof
Of course Colin Powell used a personal email account when he was at State, but that doesn't stop Republican screaming about this.
My understanding is that John Kerry (i.e. the current SoS) is the first one to have been offered a .gov email address.
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To me (as an IT professional), a personal server is probably MORE secure than a government server, but she's not using that argument and she does seem a bit vulnerable on this one - but hopefully it doesn't amount to much overall.
Thanks for posting that information, as I hadn't thought of it in terms of security. As someone who held elected office and had to live by the rules of open communication, it is the fact a private server allows her to hide from public view those emails. Who knows what emails were deleted and therefore never released. The rules for public officials apply to all, and the fact she circumnavigated them makes her unelectable. Not to mention the cock up at Benghazi. There is also the possibility of somewhat dubious fundraising by the Clinton Foundation. Did they take money for favors, they have certainly not worried about making themselves look above reproach. If she is the democratic candidate I shall either vote for the republican, depending on who it is, or not vote at all.

The only viable democratic candidate would be Joe Biden if he would run.
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I have no idea if this is true, but I'm finding it hard not to laugh......


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Thanks for posting that information, as I hadn't thought of it in terms of security. As someone who held elected office and had to live by the rules of open communication, it is the fact a private server allows her to hide from public view those emails. Who knows what emails were deleted and therefore never released. The rules for public officials apply to all, and the fact she circumnavigated them makes her unelectable.
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It seems like this was somewhat common practice, and I'd find it hard to assert that it makes her 'unelectable'. I guess if you could prove she was officially told not to do it and she repeatedly ignored that, maybe then you could argue she ignored the rules, but who really gives a hoot.
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Not to mention the cock up at Benghazi. There is also the possibility of somewhat dubious fundraising by the Clinton Foundation. Did they take money for favors, they have certainly not worried about making themselves look above reproach. If she is the democratic candidate I shall either vote for the republican, depending on who it is, or not vote at all.

The only viable democratic candidate would be Joe Biden if he would run.
Honestly ... Benghazi ... this is the 'birth certificate' of the current election. Sadly some folks died, and that's always a bad thing, but ... let's keep things in perspective here! This has been investigated to death and nothing tangible has come out of it - not that Fox news pays any attention to these facts.

As for the Clinton foundation ... it's a private foundation and all manner of people contribute to it, for all manner of reasons. Trying to prove 'cause and effect' here is going to be impossible (not that Fox, Koch, and others won't die trying).

Are you really saying you would consider voting Democrat, but these specific issues are dissuading you?
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Honestly ... Benghazi ... this is the 'birth certificate' of the current election. Sadly some folks died, and that's always a bad thing, but ... let's keep things in perspective here! This has been investigated to death and nothing tangible has come out of it - not that Fox news pays any attention to these facts.
If Benghazi is the biggest "cock up" we can pin on Clinton, then that's a positive for her imo, the tragic deaths of four people notwithstanding. We're on our seventh Congressional inquiry now, and I'm sure the Republicans will keep it alive until the election. The fact that the Republicans were using this to fund raise really tells you all you need to know about this "scandal".
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Benghazi ... this is the 'birth certificate' of the current election
I may have to steal that!
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
It seems like this was somewhat common practice, and I'd find it hard to assert that it makes her 'unelectable'. I guess if you could prove she was officially told not to do it and she repeatedly ignored that, maybe then you could argue she ignored the rules, but who really gives a hoot.
It is standard practice for emails from public officials to go through the servers of the entity they were elected or appointed too. I am sure she was told that, I don't know any public official who has not received that information as part of their welcome to office briefing. She could have used her private email as long as DoS were copied so it was on their servers. Failure to do so is not something to be brushed off with who gives a hoot. If she failed to do so there was a reason, she was taking steps to prevent information reaching the public domain. She is not fit to hold any public office.

Are you really saying you would consider voting Democrat, but these specific issues are dissuading you?
I am saying I will not vote for Clinton if she runs for any elected office. She displays the same mentality to the rules as Nixon did.
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I am saying I will not vote for Clinton if she runs for any elected office. She displays the same mentality to the rules as Nixon did.
As does everyone else running, they are politicians. What's your point?
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She could have used her private email as long as DoS were copied so it was on their servers. Failure to do so is not something to be brushed off with who gives a hoot. If she failed to do so there was a reason, she was taking steps to prevent information reaching the public domain. She is not fit to hold any public office.
That's a big assumption. It's one possible reason, but there are several others.
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You've got to love those clown cars. Just when you think there isn't room for any more clowns, they manage to squeeze one more in.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
That's a big assumption. It's one possible reason, but there are several others.
It is far from a big assumption. There is only one reason I have seen holders of public office try and hide emails, and that is because they didn't want the contents made public.
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As does everyone else running, they are politicians. What's your point?
Really every politician. As someone who has held an elected office I find your comments a personal insult and about on a par with the level of intelligence most of your posts demonstrate.
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It is far from a big assumption. There is only one reason I have seen holders of public office try and hide emails, and that is because they didn't want the contents made public.
Again, you are making an assumption that she was "trying to hide" emails. There are other explanations.
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I'll be voting for Hilary simply because she's likely to continue ACA, and because she's not likely to try to disenfranchise poor black voters, bring prayer into the classroom, bomb Iran, and all the other things a Republican would likely push for.
I dunno, she's much more likely to bomb Iran than Rand Paul. But, you're on point and I care about the same issues. I'll go further and say I'm very comfortable with having her in office most specifically in regard to women's reproductive rights (abortion) and, of course, gay rights.

I also feel that she's a practical, competent bureaucrat who will be at least moderately effective. But I must say, seeing her in her first interview the other day, my heart sank ... she is not that good on the public stage and I fear that a charismatic Republican candidate could beat her. Luckily, that seems to be rather unlikely at the moment.

Does Hilary have a defensible position on the 'email' issue, in your opinion (Leslie)? To me (as an IT professional), a personal server is probably MORE secure than a government server, but she's not using that argument and she does seem a bit vulnerable on this one - but hopefully it doesn't amount to much overall.
On the email issue, the short answer is that I don't really know but she's probably fine on that front. Nobody that was going to vote for her is going to now vote for Jeb Bush because of emailgate. The only people that matter are the undecided voters in the swing states. Sorry folks but most of our votes just don't count. So, is that sliver of voters going to care so deeply about this "scandal"? I doubt it. First of all, it's too confusing to make a good scandal. Folks really need cut and dried stuff like robberies, murders, and screwing around for their scandal fix.

Secondly, I think it's completely fabricated outrage on the Republicans part and most (non Republican) voters are smart enough to see the side show for what it is. What it actually was though is lazy and typical Clinton behavior --- The rules don't apply to them. There was no reason why she couldn't have done what we all do and had a personal email account and a business email. Why she lumped them all together, so that later she had to delete her personal emails, is beyond me. However, she is allowed to have personal emails, not only permitted but encouraged as a matter of fact. So, as a general rule, if she has something to hide, she's supposed to use her personal email like a normal politician. I don't think she was doing anything nefarious or hiding any diabolical anti-American behavior. That's a ridiculous notion.

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