British Expats - 2016 Election

No, considering the Clinton campaign publicised the statements themselves.

Bernie Sanders' support for black colleges questioned

What are you trying to do here? Clinton's campaign comes out with some BS about BS. Likewise, Sanders' campaign does the same about Clinton. It's politics.

It seems like you saw the post coming from a conservative poster and dismissed the idea as right wing nonsense. Now you find the idea is being peddled by the Clinton campaign, you're trying to distract from that point.

Huh? The only comments I've made on this issue is that it's flawed logic to say that Sanders policy would lead to the closure of private colleges, and that the level of student debt is a real problem. My point to you was that the use of the phrase "Clinton surrogates" in that article was dubious, at best. Because someone criticizes a candidate's policy it doesn't mean that they are automatically a "surrogate" of that candidate's opponent(s).

FlaviusAetius

Mar 15th 2016 5:31 am

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You are the Trump to my Sanders.

I am uneasy with the Trump label, but could live with it for purposes of these discussions. Trump being a deal maker by nature, might actually be able to work more fruitfully with the opposition than a rigid ideologue like Cruz.

Problem for Trump is that he is being goaded by the Left - including, inter alia, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, and MoveOn.org (and financed by Soros) - into making statements that make him appear to be a bully and a racist. He might be all that, or it might just be that he hasn't yet learned how to handle that pressure, i.e. he doesn't have his politician chops yet.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Mar 15th 2016 5:33 am

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11896138)

You know what's funny. Clinton's surrogates have been using this talking point...

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...colleges-obama

The black colleges are an anachronism in the modern era. It's hard for me to feel nostalgic about what were byproducts of Jim Crow.

If they are concerned that students don't want to attend them for whatever reason, then perhaps it's time to change the schools so that people do want to attend them.

sir_eccles

Mar 15th 2016 5:55 am

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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11896230)

Problem for Trump is that he is being goaded by the Left - including, inter alia, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, and MoveOn.org (and financed by Soros) - into making statements that make him appear to be a bully and a racist. He might be all that, or it might just be that he hasn't yet learned how to handle that pressure, i.e. he doesn't have his politician chops yet.

I think it's pretty clear he is a bully and a racist, no need to point it out.

Giantaxe

Mar 15th 2016 5:57 am

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I think it's pretty clear he is a bully and a racist, no need to point it out.

That's been pretty clear since his "Mexican rapists" comment, which was way before he was on the radar of the left.

FlaviusAetius

Mar 15th 2016 6:02 am

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They might not be anachronistic at all. The University of Connecticut is establishing facilities within its new dormitory specifically aimed at giving an assist to black male students who, it theorizes are not keeping up with the general student population in their graduation rates for reasons outlined by a spokesperson for UConn who stated the following:

â€œWe know itâ€™s not issue of whether African-American males have the capability to excel in school; rather, it is their environment that sometimes inhibits their potential,â€ said Stephanie Reitz, spokeswoman for the university. â€œAt many predominantly white institutions nationwide, elements of African-American culture are harder to find, which can make some students experience a sense of detachment from their universities.â€ http://www.boston.com/news/education...9CI/story.html

Colleges, whose students are predominantly African-American, may well be providing a valuable service to their community.

Giantaxe

Mar 15th 2016 6:10 am

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Colleges, whose students are predominantly African-American, may well be providing a valuable service to their community.

What are the graduation rates of these "traditionally black" colleges?

Giantaxe

Mar 15th 2016 6:16 am

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Then again, the UK is doing its best to out do the US on this one.

Tuition fees: Is England more expensive than US? - BBC News

The student loan system in England is very different from the system in the US, as pointed out at the end of that article. That's still a big differentiator, despite the huge increase in UK fees.

sir_eccles

Mar 15th 2016 6:26 am

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Discuss...

FlaviusAetius

Mar 15th 2016 6:30 am

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FlaviusAetius

Mar 15th 2016 6:31 am

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From Spelman to Fisk, the rates are higher than at UConn. The rest are abysmal.

sir_eccles

Mar 15th 2016 6:32 am

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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11896326)

https://cdn.jbhe.com/wordpress/wp-co...-2014-hbcu.png

Is that good or bad?

FlaviusAetius

Mar 15th 2016 6:45 am

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Is that good or bad?

I said "abysmal." I think the lowest achieving schools should be merged with a public university and given an infusion of new administrators and educators and work on reforms similar to UConn's. All of them need to be improved to emphasize academics and not be simply providing farm teams for professional sports.

What may be at play here is that students who do not qualify for entry to regular universities are admitted to these schools, where they simply fail. The missions of the schools need to be reevaluated and changed, not that the schools should simply be closed.

themadpooper

Mar 15th 2016 6:45 am

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11896157)

I actually agree with most of what you say. I would add though that another major issue is that it seems practically any job above the level of barista/burger flipper these days seems to require a minimum of a degree. So for kids that actually want a decent prospect they have no choice to get a degree and be burdened with debt. Why is this? Have these jobs got more difficult? Are high schools churning out worse graduates? Or are employees just demanding more qualified candidates for the same job because they can? I would say it's probably a combination of the three.

You're spot on here, at least here in the States. You literally do need a college degree to get a job Starbuck's, not because the job requires a college education but because it's the norm now for employers to assume if you haven't had a college education you must be too thick to do the job. It's a vicious circle

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