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Leslie Mar 13th 2016 6:03 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 11894248)
An excellent op-ed by Frank Bruni in the NYT today on Trump's need for attention:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/op...ness.html?_r=0


Here are the last few paragraphs:

We complain incessantly about politicians who neglect us, who don’t indulge our requests readily, who skimp on news conferences.

BUT their reasons are often sound. They understand that everything they say has weight and consequence: that at a certain altitude of leadership, words matter greatly and carry great risk. Trump’s failure to grasp this was evident in his comment in February about a protester who was being ejected from an event in Las Vegas. “I’d like to punch him in the face,” Trump fumed. A leader must speak with care — and in careful measure.
There’s only one measure for Trump: more. More products bearing his brand. More buildings blaring his name. He’s a modern-day Midas, with a vain twist. Everything he touches turns to Trump.

He insists on that. Craves it. No reassurance sustains him for too long; no validation suffices. That would be as true of Trump the president as it is of Trump the candidate, and it would dictate the terms and the tempo of a reign from which this country would not soon recover.

From the Mayo Clinic:
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.


Narcissistic personality disorder - Mayo Clinic

FlaviusAetius Mar 13th 2016 6:05 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by username.exe (Post 11894202)
I agree, he has torn the scab off, and he's given a platform to a lot of disgusting views.

To me the bigger problem is that it exists (or has existed) in such a large scale in this country, regardless of Trump.

I check myself even as I say that, as one should not automatically be labelled a racist simply because they attend a Trump rally. It doesn't help to boil the issues down to 'racist' vs 'socialist' labels.

But it's so easy - in truth it is intellectually lazy and dishonest - to label your opponents RACISTS! And that anyone attending a Trump rally or admitting they are Trump supporters are RACISTS! Playing that card automatically wins your argument and gets the automatic support of the main stream media and academe.

In my attempt to understand the rise of Nazism in Germany in the 20s, and its historical implications, I had to plow my way through Mein Kampf as well as the history of the aftermath of WWI in central Europe. At that time Communist revolutions were underway with financial support from Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks and had already swept into power in Hungary. A Soviet Republic had been declared in Bavaria, Berlin was under Communist control and Germany was on the brink of becoming the second major Communist country.

The Reds in Germany were establishing control of the street and their enforcement squads were breaking up rallies of their political opponents, by breaking heads. In defence, Hitler had his thugs organized into the SA (brownshirts) for protection. There is a vivid description in Mein Kampf of one rally in a beer hall where his outnumbered SA beat the living crap out of the Roter Frontkämpferbund (Red Front Fighter Alliance, RFB) who had infiltrated with the purpose of destroying everything. The SA, along with the Stahlhelm, were expanded and took to the streets to clear them of the RFB. The German middle class, aware of the liquidation of the Russian middle class by the Communists, fell in line with the Nazis out of a sense of self-preservation.

It is very concerning that the Left in this country appears to be exploring RFB tactics to try to break up and shut down Trump rallies; and that in response, Trump's people might organize to resist. I understand that the "protesters" who had infiltrated the rally had planned to storm the dais to attack Trump if he had held the rally. Is history repeating itself here?

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 6:12 am

2016 Election
 
Literally, while I was typing this post, Trump was on TV saying, "I do not accept responsibility." He was being asked about the violence at his rallies. :lol:

We used to refer to them as psychopaths and sociopaths but that has fallen out of vogue.

From the Mayo Clinic website:

Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:
•Disregard for right and wrong
•Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
•Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or for sheer personal pleasure
•Intense egocentrism, sense of superiority and exhibitionism
•Recurring difficulties with the law
•Repeatedly violating the rights of others by the use of intimidation, dishonesty and misrepresentation
•Child abuse or neglect
•Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, impulsiveness, aggression or violence
•Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
•Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behaviors
•Poor or abusive relationships
•Irresponsible work behavior
•Failure to learn from the negative consequences of behavior

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 6:19 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Soooooo .....

When asked about his violent rallies, Trump blames the anger of his supporters on the fact that there are no jobs because of our horrible government. Then when he's yelling at the protestors as they're being escorted out (so brave), "Get a job!" I thought there were no jobs? :confused:

If the Trump supporters want to know why they can't get a job all they need to do is a neck check. The amount of white people with neck tattoos at the Trump rallies is alarming. These are people that Trump wouldn't let wash his dog.

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 6:24 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11894266)
But it's so easy - in truth it is intellectually lazy and dishonest - to label your opponents RACISTS! And that anyone attending a Trump rally or admitting they are Trump supporters are RACISTS! Playing that card automatically wins your argument and gets the automatic support of the main stream media and academe.

In my attempt to understand the rise of Nazism in Germany in the 20s, and its historical implications, I had to plow my way through Mein Kampf as well as the history of the aftermath of WWI in central Europe. At that time Communist revolutions were underway with financial support from Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks and had already swept into power in Hungary. A Soviet Republic had been declared in Bavaria, Berlin was under Communist control and Germany was on the brink of becoming the second major Communist country.

The Reds in Germany were establishing control of the street and their enforcement squads were breaking up rallies of their political opponents, by breaking heads. In defence, Hitler had his thugs organized into the SA (brownshirts) for protection. There is a vivid description in Mein Kampf of one rally in a beer hall where his outnumbered SA beat the living crap out of the Roter Frontkämpferbund (Red Front Fighter Alliance, RFB) who had infiltrated with the purpose of destroying everything. The SA, along with the Stahlhelm, were expanded and took to the streets to clear them of the RFB. The German middle class, aware of the liquidation of the Russian middle class by the Communists, fell in line with the Nazis out of a sense of self-preservation.

It is very concerning that the Left in this country appears to be exploring RFB tactics to try to break up and shut down Trump rallies; and that in response, Trump's people might organize to resist. I understand that the "protesters" who had infiltrated the rally had planned to storm the dais to attack Trump if he had held the rally. Is history repeating itself here?

Yes, it seems history is repeating itself:
Donald Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed, according to his ex-wife | Americas | News | The Independent

dakota44 Mar 13th 2016 6:33 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11894255)
But Trump won't pay. He's a liar. He isn't even willing to pay for his own presidential campaign.

Yes..I love the way Trump says over and over that he is self funding....while he has 2 donate buttons on his website and has taken in millions from donors plus who knows how much from hats mugs etc.

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 6:50 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
On all the Sunday shows, Trump is still claiming he hasn't seen the sucker punch video. WTF? He's admitting to watching the coverage by bitching about how badly he's being treated by the shows ... the shows that are showing the sucker punch videos. FFS.

zargof Mar 13th 2016 7:02 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11894291)
On all the Sunday shows, Trump is still claiming he hasn't seen the sucker punch video. WTF? He's admitting to watching the coverage by bitching about how badly he's being treated by the shows ... the shows that are showing the sucker punch videos. FFS.

He's still denying his campaign manager assaulted a Breibart reporter, even though there's a ton of evidence showing he did.

And the thing is Trump supporters continue to believe him. I hate to use the word, but it really seems like they are brainwashed.

You have to wonder when are moderate Trump supporters going to start denouncing the extremist Trump supporters? Is this really a campaign of peace?

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 7:07 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11894294)
He's still denying his campaign manager assaulted a Breibart reporter, even though there's a ton of evidence showing he did.

And the thing is Trump supporters continue to believe him. I hate to use the word, but it really seems like they are brainwashed.

He spends a good chunk of his rallies telling his supporters that the media are all liars, losers, and terrible people.

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 7:08 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11894294)

You have to wonder when are moderate Trump supporters going to start denouncing the extremist Trump supporters? Is this really a campaign of peace?

:lol:

Leslie Mar 13th 2016 7:10 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11894280)
Yes..I love the way Trump says over and over that he is self funding....while he has 2 donate buttons on his website and has taken in millions from donors plus who knows how much from hats mugs etc.

And free media that the public is paying for with their cable fees. Welfare is okay as long as it's Trump that's benefitting.

dakota44 Mar 13th 2016 7:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11894301)
And free media that the public is paying for with their cable fees. Welfare is okay as long as it's Trump that's benefitting.

Yes...good point...getting all the free publicity because news stations act like lapdogs...and of course know it is good for ratings. People love to watcjh a train wreck.

FlaviusAetius Mar 13th 2016 7:55 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11894276)

I am very concerned. On the one hand Sanders is calling for a political revolution. "Revolution" is a dog whistle word in certain quarters. Then you point out the number of white guys with neck tattoos at the Trump rallies. It wouldn't take much for Trumps' tattooed tough white guys to organize into their own informal SA and engage in major street battles with the "Black Lives Matter" and "Occupy Wall Street" toughs. Of course Trump will deny any link. Wouldn't anyone? Cleveland is where it could happen.

Most of Hitler's speeches were a joke. I know because I don't need a translation of them. Just as empty of any substance as Trump's. The difference was in the delivery, at which Hitler is acknowledged as a genius. The gestures, the look on his face, the rise and fall of the pitch of his delivery, the sudden and dramatic pauses (all practiced before a mirror, by the way). He was a political rock star. Trump is no match.

We talk about qualifications for the Presidency, by the way.

1. Hitler was a failed artist and a message runner in the Bavarian Army who suffered blinding in a gas attack and other injuries. Got the Iron Cross. Brave, but not a stand out. President Hindenburg named him Chancellor in January 1933 and when Hindenburg died, Hitler assumed the powers of the Presidency. He rejuvenated the moribund German economy and then threw it all away on his ill-advised war.

2. Obama joined a law firm after graduation from Harvard and handled a few civil rights cases, did some community organizing, was a nondescript state senator and an ad hoc lecturer in Constitutional Law (where it is said he mostly talked about how the Constitution was a barrier to social justice) - also not a stand out.

3. Trump spent his adult life building an international powerhouse of hotels and office buildings, during the course of which he learned to bribe high US and foreign officials to get things done. Sky-high negatives will doom him in the general, but canny enough to keep splitting the anti-Trump vote so he'll win pluralities and take the delegates in the winner-take-all primaries. He's getting a lot of help in that effort from two candidates too blind to see they can't make it.

4. Clinton? One of dozens of First Ladies, a nondescript Senator from NY, a failed SecState, and undoubtedly fully bought and paid for through bribes paid into the Foundation by Saudi Arabia and others and through Bill's speeches abroad. Governed by an insatiable lust for money and power - not qualified.

No one is qualified in my less than humble opinion. I expect that my guy will get crushed in the Florida primary and then I'll have no favourite.

FlaviusAetius Mar 13th 2016 7:59 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11894294)
He's still denying his campaign manager assaulted a Breibart reporter, even though there's a ton of evidence showing he did.

And the thing is Trump supporters continue to believe him. I hate to use the word, but it really seems like they are brainwashed.

You have to wonder when are moderate Trump supporters going to start denouncing the extremist Trump supporters? Is this really a campaign of peace?

Trump's supporters are his supporters because they reject the linguini-spined moderate, establishment politicians who toe the politically correct line. They could easily become radicalized and dangerous if the Left pushes them too hard, and that nearly happened in Chicago. It's a good thing for everyone that Trump cancelled the rally. It's not a campaign of peace, but one of rage and frustration. They are not to be confused with the Islamists, who we all know are entirely adherents of a religion of peace.

sir_eccles Mar 13th 2016 8:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11894255)
But Trump won't pay. He's a liar. He isn't even willing to pay for his own presidential campaign.

Oh true. But by the time the poor saps are hung out to dry with legal fees to pay, the election will be over and their vote will be counted.


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