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Old Mar 12th 2016, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by kimilseung
Sanders is attracting more than his share of the low information voter. There is a minority of his support who are a bit dodgy.
Really? Why do you think that.
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by dakota44
Aside from the fact they were all wearing shirts or carrying signs with his name? There likely were others too but Sanders supporters were the vast majority.
They were mainly activists that support Sanders. Is it really a surprise that the candidate who is calling for political revolution is supported by so many activists?
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by zargof
They were mainly activists that support Sanders. Is it really a surprise that the candidate who is calling for political revolution is supported by so many activists?
No surprise at all. Especiallly the Uni crowd who face massive debt for their degrees and no doubt feel the whole deck is stacked against them.
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
I don't think anyone on here is going to disagree that the Dem's were the party of racism in the past. It's a well understood fact. But it's also true that those racists left the Dems and joined the R's as a result of the civil rights movement. They were actively courted by the Rs as a source of votes, and it explains a lot about the R's today. There's no question in my mind that today, the R party is the racist party.
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by dakota44
Shhhh...madpooper will have a brain cramp. Especially do not remind him that the protesters were excercising their freedom of speech and right to assemble. And never tell him about the heavily armed right wingers that showed up at Obama rallies to, no doubt, intimidate.
Here's where it went wrong, though:

The protesters/activists have a right to peaceful assembly and protest.

Trump and his supporters have a right to enjoy free speech.

(Neither are absolute, and are subject to some conditions).

As much as you or I disagree with the crap that Trump is spouting, it seems to me like his meetings are being gatecrashed by large groups of people attempting to disrupt him exercising his rights.

I abhor that kind of behavior, regardless if the 'side'. It disrespects the constitutional freedoms that were put in place for people of all political persuasions.
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by username.exe
Here's where it went wrong, though:

The protesters/activists have a right to peaceful assembly and protest.

Trump and his supporters have a right to enjoy free speech.

(Neither are absolute, and are subject to some conditions).

As much as you or I disagree with the crap that Trump is spouting, it seems to me like his meetings are being gatecrashed by large groups of people attempting to disrupt him exercising his rights.

I abhor that kind of behavior, regardless if the 'side'. It disrespects the constitutional freedoms that were put in place for people of all political persuasions.
I get what you are saying and it has some validity. However, for my money, Trump brought it on himself. You cannot spew the kind of hatred and racism he has as well as encouraging violence against peaceful protesters doing nothing wrong. Sooner or later thatvwould create a backlash and a safety in numbers attitude to protest more vocally.
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Originally Posted by zargof
Really? Why do you think that.
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things

Young people, especially students (I was one myself not too long ago, btw), tend to think they know everything when they actually know very little about the real world. I doubt many of them even know what socialism means, and offer examples of live TV interviews with them that back this up:



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Old Mar 12th 2016, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things

Young people, especially students (I was one myself not too long ago, btw), tend to think they know everything when they actually know very little about the real world. I doubt many of them even know what socialism means, and offer examples of live TV interviews with them that back this up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAm2BG_Ouk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe-2Wu3HUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_FeMdpLw
The perfect example of low information voters would be the vast number of Trump supporters...who also have no udea what real socialism is.
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Old Mar 12th 2016, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things
I never said I didn't think some were morons. Rather I was questioning the idea that the percentage of idiots that support Sanders is higher than for other candidates.

Given the large number of idiots in this country it would be easy to find some that support each of the candidates.
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things

Young people, especially students (I was one myself not too long ago, btw), tend to think they know everything when they actually know very little about the real world. I doubt many of them even know what socialism means, and offer examples of live TV interviews with them that back this up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAm2BG_Ouk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe-2Wu3HUE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_FeMdpLw

Does Trump even know what Socialism means ? Displaying his usual blustering ignorance he described Bernie Sanders as our "Communist friend"
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things

Young people, especially students (I was one myself not too long ago, btw), tend to think they know everything when they actually know very little about the real world. I doubt many of them even know what socialism means, and offer examples of live TV interviews with them that back this up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAm2BG_Ouk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe-2Wu3HUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_FeMdpLw
Low information voters exist on both sides of the political divide. I don't see where age comes in to it?
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Originally Posted by username.exe
Here's where it went wrong, though:

The protesters/activists have a right to peaceful assembly and protest.

Trump and his supporters have a right to enjoy free speech.

(Neither are absolute, and are subject to some conditions).

As much as you or I disagree with the crap that Trump is spouting, it seems to me like his meetings are being gatecrashed by large groups of people attempting to disrupt him exercising his rights.

I abhor that kind of behavior, regardless if the 'side'. It disrespects the constitutional freedoms that were put in place for people of all political persuasions.
You are right but Trump has displayed the yob instinct that lurks beneath his exterior.

Someone in his position who is running for President of the most powerful nation on earth, the defender of freedom and democracy should have said nothing when a protestor was gut punched by one of his supporters instead of declaring that the protester "probably deserved it".

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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Why are you so determined to believe some of them aren't morons? Because they're supporting a campaign you think is virtuous? That's a pretty arrogant way of looking at things

Young people, especially students (I was one myself not too long ago, btw), tend to think they know everything when they actually know very little about the real world. I doubt many of them even know what socialism means, and offer examples of live TV interviews with them that back this up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAm2BG_Ouk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe-2Wu3HUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_FeMdpLw
This is scary stuff, to know that unthinking, poorly-educated, low-information, strongly opinionated morons like these will decide who gets to nominate up to at least 4 Supreme Court justices - with consequences that will reverberate for decades to come. And these are university students, our brightest and best, at least in their own minds. I'm not saying they should be denied the vote, simply that it is frightening to know that the future of our society is in their hands.

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Originally Posted by zargof
Really? Why do you think that.
I was thinking of that survey that compared candidates voter base on 3 or 4 contentious questions. I think Kasich's base came out best, Trump worst, Bernie's, base was not where I would hope it to be.

http://www.lynnvavreck.com/Site/The_..._Crosstabs.pdf
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
This is scary stuff, to know that unthinking, poorly-educated, low-information, strongly opinionated morons like these will decide who gets to nominate up to at least 4 Supreme Court justices - with consequences that will reverberate for decades to come. And these are university students, our brightest and best, at least in their own minds. I'm not saying they should be denied the vote, simply that it is frightening to know that the future of our society is in their hands.
Flavius, I think you mentioned you were a legal professional previously - do you think Supreme Court Justices should be nominated for life terms, or should they be limited to a maximum number of years (like the Presidency)?

I still struggle to understand how you end up with two such distinctly different 'flavors' of legal interpretation.
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