Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by anonimouse
(Post 9072660)
Scampicat, without prying too much and getting too personal, am I reading this right? Are you saying your husband is receiving his private pension and also Incapacity payments that are unaffected by the pension payments? Forgive me if I have read this wrong.
If this is the case would someone with a private pension be able to go to the doctors and get put on incapacity benefit to top up his private pension, if so apart from obviously having an ailment, how would one go about this, would they need a sick note or something? I was under the impression that if you had an income such as a private pension, incapacity payments would not be paid New claimants cannot go onto Incapacity Benefit, it is now Employment Support Allowance (ESA) and has different criteria; however, if you are UK resident and are too sick to work you can apply for ESA. Contributions-based ESA which you can claim if you have paid enough recent NI is reduced in the same way as IB if you have an Occupational or private pension. Income-based ESA for those without enough NI is means-tested in the usual way. To claim ESA you would initially have to go to the DR and get a sick note. Hope this helps. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by scampicat
(Post 9073175)
Incapacity Benefit is reduced by 50p in the £1 for any private pension over £85 a week. (e.g if your private pension is £100 a week, IB will be reduced by £7.50). Other income does not affect it. My husband's IB is reduced accordingly due to his Teachers' Pension.
New claimants cannot go onto Incapacity Benefit, it is now Employment Support Allowance (ESA) and has different criteria; however, if you are UK resident and are too sick to work you can apply for ESA. Contributions-based ESA which you can claim if you have paid enough recent NI is reduced in the same way as IB if you have an Occupational or private pension. Income-based ESA for those without eough NI is means-tested in the usual way. Hope this helps. Thank you anyway:) |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by megmet
(Post 9073100)
That is the category I fell into!
Even though my Incapacity Benefit stopped last year when I became eligible for my state pension, it would appear that certain people don't think I should have moved here while incapable of working in the UK. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
From some of the comments on here I think too many of you believe the daily mail and the mps. In my opinion this and the so called news papers are pushing the benefit thing to hide what is going on with the banks and the expenses claimed by the already well heeled.We should be trying to put and end to their gravy train. How many ministers do we have now?All getting extra payment for what? I thought they were all supposed to be involved. Does anyone know how many we had in 1946 when the task was a lot more difficult then I'm sure.I bet its a hell of of a lot less.
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9073202)
I think they can be forgiven for that, especially when they see people looking quite "normal", appearances can be deceiving, they don't know how you might have actually have been suffering. Unfortunately there are many swinging the lead, (I bet you know a few!) making a Lazarus like recovery to move to Spain, so unfortunately every one gets tarred with the same brush! They say moving house is the most stressful thing you can do, twin that with moving to a different country must be doubly stressful, but that doesn't seem to deter people with stress related problems, so it's easy to see why some arrive at the conclusions they do. Jackytoo seems to have ruffled a few feathers with her comments, with the number of people on benefits, but there do seem to quite a few here that seem to have a great in-depth knowledge of how the benefits system works.
I personally have claimed no State Benefits throughout my life , other than Child Benefit (which every family with a child got, until very recently), and since 2010 my State Pension, which I have paid into for most of my working life. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by haydngj
(Post 9073219)
From some of the comments on here I think too many of you believe the daily mail and the mps. In my opinion this and the so called news papers are pushing the benefit thing to hide what is going on with the banks and the expenses claimed by the already well heeled.We should be trying to put and end to their gravy train. How many ministers do we have now?All getting extra payment for what? I thought they were all supposed to be involved. Does anyone know how many we had in 1946 when the task was a lot more difficult then I'm sure.I bet its a hell of of a lot less.
Any other type of work, you don't get that. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9073202)
I think they can be forgiven for that, especially when they see people looking quite "normal", appearances can be deceiving, they don't know how you might have actually have been suffering. Unfortunately there are many swinging the lead, (I bet you know a few!) making a Lazarus like recovery to move to Spain, so unfortunately every one gets tarred with the same brush! They say moving house is the most stressful thing you can do, twin that with moving to a different country must be doubly stressful, but that doesn't seem to deter people with stress related problems, so it's easy to see why some arrive at the conclusions they do. Jackytoo seems to have ruffled a few feathers with her comments, with the number of people on benefits, but there do seem to quite a few here that seem to have a great in-depth knowledge of how the benefits system works.
I know one or two more who have returned home due to the recession only in order to receive benefits they would not have got here....that in my opinion is a very wrong thing to do, but they do seem to get away with it. One can only assume that they were not legal here...many aren't! Anyone moving here and doing it legally knows that even after paying into the system for forty years....you are entitled to nothing from the UK, even a short trip back requires the EHC to cover for emergency treatment. When the day comes (as it will) when I need personal care there will be no attendance allowance for me, but a foreign immigrant in the UK would in fact be entitled to such benefit.... even though they had not paid into the system. I actually don't expect anything, but it makes me damned mad when people tar everyone with the same brush without knowing or caring about the facts, and on an assumption that we are all cheating the system simply because they can't see the disability, be it physical or mental. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by Rotor
(Post 9072933)
It cant be the same as Spanish citizens (including south American immigrants) get unlimited health care regardless of financial situation ,unlike EU expats.
The only difference may be, again as LittleWeed pointed out, that Spanish speakers can navigate the system more easily, but there are no differences in rights. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
"If You Don’t Qualify for Free Medical Care in Spain What Should You Do? A new tax has been introduced for those who want to live in Spain but who are below the retirement age and who are not working – this ‘tax’ amounts to about €80 every month and it will cover you for any medical care you need. So, you can choose to pay this tax and have your health covered in Spain – or you can look into whether it makes more sense for you to have private medical insurance that will cover you in Spain and beyond if you decide to travel, move, relocate or repatriate." |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by megmet
(Post 9073478)
One can only assume that they were not legal here...many aren't!
Anyone moving here and doing it legally knows that even after paying into the system for forty years....you are entitled to nothing from the UK, even a short trip back requires the EHC to cover for emergency treatment. When the day comes (as it will) when I need personal care there will be no attendance allowance for me, but a foreign immigrant in the UK would in fact be entitled to such benefit.... even though they had not paid into the system. Bring on all the post agreeing with me! :rofl::rofl::rofl: |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by angiescarr
(Post 9073786)
Useful link.:thumbup: People not working may find this bit interesting:-
"If You Don’t Qualify for Free Medical Care in Spain What Should You Do? A new tax has been introduced for those who want to live in Spain but who are below the retirement age and who are not working – this ‘tax’ amounts to about €80 every month and it will cover you for any medical care you need. So, you can choose to pay this tax and have your health covered in Spain – or you can look into whether it makes more sense for you to have private medical insurance that will cover you in Spain and beyond if you decide to travel, move, relocate or repatriate." |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9073809)
Presumibly, that €80 is per person, so even if it's just a couple, out of work, that's quite a chunk of money, nearly €2,000 a year!
They probably won't cover existing conditions either. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9073809)
Presumibly, that €80 is per person, so even if it's just a couple, out of work, that's quite a chunk of money, nearly €2,000 a year!
How many times does this need to be repeated? |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9073824)
Again, if you are out of work and have very low income then you get healthcare for free anyway!
How many times does this need to be repeated? |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9073824)
Again, if you are out of work and have very low income then you get healthcare for free anyway!
How many times does this need to be repeated? They could not afford it so are not covered for healthcare. |
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