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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by scampicat
(Post 9069422)
Can you clarify?
Do you mean me, for giving advice on the forum? Or do you mean the people who 'grass'? |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 9069427)
There are plenty of people who say that much of the benefit fraud is caused by the complexity and at times disorganised way that many of the benefits are not only paid but also distributed, many feel that paying winter fuel allowances to countries like Spain and Portugal is theft, it is for the authorities to uphold law, not for a societies citizens to enforce the ones they like. I have asked this a dozen times on here, how many of us have by design or by default, or even in a lost moment, just gone over the speed limit? Thats illegal, and it costs lives. Pandoras box in my opinion.
Yes, I agree sometimes the Benefits system is hard to understand. People living in the EU who are legitimately entitled to the Winter Fuel Allowance are not commiting Benefit fraud though, are they? It is a European decision to allow this IF you qualified for it before leaving the UK. Also some other UK Benefits are exportable here, so if people are entitled to them, they are not committing fraud. I am not talking about legitimate claimants, I am talking about the ones who fraudulently claim, either here or in the UK. And, I hasten to add, so far I have reported nobody! |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9069449)
Not you, of course not. I did think of using the more correct 'one' but I thought it would seem pedantic.
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9069416)
Well, I imagine she still tries it on. If you get a fresh influx of language student tenants every 2 or 4 weeks, it must be quite lucrative to withhold the deposit, even if it only works part of the time.
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9069445)
I really don't feel it's exactly the same.
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 9069427)
There are plenty of people who say that much of the benefit fraud is caused by the complexity and at times disorganised way that many of the benefits are not only paid but also distributed, many feel that paying winter fuel allowances to countries like Spain and Portugal is theft, it is for the authorities to uphold law, not for a societies citizens to enforce the ones they like. I have asked this a dozen times on here, how many of us have by design or by default, or even in a lost moment, just gone over the speed limit? Thats illegal, and it costs lives. Pandoras box in my opinion.
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9069455)
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by scampicat
(Post 9069450)
And, I hasten to add, so far I have reported nobody! |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by scampicat
(Post 9069460)
And this is why so far I have reported no-one, although I disagree with Benefit fraud.:)
If I find money on the street, and I pick it up, it is theft by finding. If you take home from the office so much as a paperclip, that too is theft. Stealing form the state isn't as bad as stealing from someone who is hard up. |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 9069477)
I know you haven't and I have been very careful not to suggest you have, I am simply discussing the can of worms it opens if someone did. As I said, laws are set by governments and change each year, who knows what will become law next year, or the next?
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Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9068265)
Isn't there an area of Wales with an average rainfall of 3 hours a day?
http://www.20minutos.tv/video/dnvwBE...z-en-un-mes/0/ |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9069935)
Probably, but I bet they'd rather live there than Écija!
http://www.20minutos.tv/video/dnvwBE...z-en-un-mes/0/ |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by scampicat
(Post 9069454)
They are both theft.
Jim |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
Originally Posted by Bigger Jim
(Post 9070320)
I think that one of the problems is that a lot of people see benefit fraud as a victimless crime and the state, just like the insurance companies, can afford it. But in the end it is we, the people, who pay for it.
Jim Sickness Benefits are now very difficult to get because so many people in the past have fiddled them. The Government have put so many hoops to climb through. This means that genuinely sick people, especially those with mental health problems,who can't cope with the process, end up not getting the help and support that they need. (I'm not saying, by the way, that there should NOT be checks made on people claiming sickness Benefits!). |
Re: Are you a benefit fraud.. and living in Spain?
I am ashamed to say I have never been to Wales, maybe will do a recce this year:)
Back to benefits. I don't think I could cold-bloodily report anyone, even though I don't agree with the fiddlers. The whole benefit system is out of control and I don't think it will ever be fair. Just a point about the disability allowance...if some people receiving it are not visibly affected, look healthy and appear to lead a normal life why should they get money for it:confused: |
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