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Old Oct 10th 2014 | 12:24 am
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There is another factor to consider GP,s are paid according to the number of patients on their books.
It is the interest of the practice to get as many patients through the doors as possible.

We recently went from a local practice ( 3 doctors ) to a huge multi practice when 3 GP practices merged.
No thought was given to the patients many who are elderly and now face a long trek to see anyone when they are ill.
It is more like a factory than the local doctors I was used to.
 
Old Oct 10th 2014 | 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
There is another factor to consider GP,s are paid according to the number of patients on their books.
It is the interest of the practice to get as many patients through the doors as possible.

We recently went from a local practice ( 3 doctors ) to a huge multi practice when 3 GP practices merged.
No thought was given to the patients many who are elderly and now face a long trek to see anyone when they are ill.
It is more like a factory than the local doctors I was used to.
Interesting because I've done the opposite.

I changed from a large practice/health centre because I simply could not get an appointment other than a telephone consultation 3 weeks hence.

Moving to a smaller surgery just a mile away and I was able to see a GP the next day!

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Old Oct 10th 2014 | 1:06 am
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We had no choice, it is the mega practices or nothing in our area.
 
Old Oct 10th 2014 | 1:16 am
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We had no choice, it is the mega practices or nothing in our area.
I´m not sure a "mega practice" is a money maker?
Three practices each earning money for the number of patients on the books equates to 1 practice with all of the patients on the books? ie, the same "hand out"
Also, rent of a single practice will be cheaper than rent for three, so the money they are given for rent etc will be less.
I think "mega practices" are a government cost saver.
 
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Originally Posted by IamStu
This thread got me thinking last night. I remembered when I was working in ROI that I would pay €50 for a GP visit. Money well spent as the Dr would spend the required time to investigate the problem and explain whatever was necessary. Typically an appointment would range somewhere from 10 to 20 minutes and I would leave feeling that was a well spent €50!
In contrast to this, I remember discussing with with a GP in the UK, how astonished I was at the number of my patients that were being prescribed anti-depressant medication. The GP went on to say as Doctors, they would love to be able to take the necessary time to "get to know" the patient and try to understand the best course of action for each individual on an individual basis. Also, that that simple task was made impossible by having to run clinics at 5minute schedules! A pressure applied as the service is offered free of charge and people will turn up at appointments when they simply need to take a paracetemol or book an appointment for feeling groggy and then simply fail to attend!
Unfortunately, should it be the case whereby a fee is applied, the press will go to town because Mr X died of X,Y or Z because he didn´t have the fifty quid to go to his Dr, so until we can all scrape our fifty quid together (after beer and cigarette expenses), we all suffer!
Or perhaps those with the ready cash will spend their social life chatting endlessly about their need to fart with their GP.

Those who do not have the where-with-all can go phone a helpline?
 
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This may go some way to explain our woes.

Government’s reorganisation of the NHS was its biggest 'mistake', say senior Tories - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
 
Old Dec 4th 2014 | 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by jonboy
Pay more if you like but the NHS is stuffed. Why? Because both New Labour and the Conservatives are in the business of destroying it so that they can carve it up between themselves and award the lucrative contracts to one another when it finally becomes completely unsaveable due to their deliberate acts of destruction.

In the short term the taxpayer/voter will receive a boost financially and in the longer term it is yet more of the "family silver" sold down the river.
Remember the hospitals built with private money and now costing us a fortune. Remember the computerisation? another fortune. Remember when they stuffed the GPs mouths with money and then allowed/encouraged them to outsource the home visits to locums, just about the time when their own hours of work were cut? How about all the super new managers, charged with managing/massaging the figures? Yes it is untenable with the input of our current political parties.
Pay as much as you like and they will piss it up the wall. Because they want their cut.
R.I.P. The Health Service
 
Old Dec 4th 2014 | 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by IamStu
The NHS is just brilliant! The medical and auxiliary staff do a fantastic job under difficult circumstances! A job I for one, certainly wouldn´t care for. I have the scars to prove it!
However, the management seem able to piss up any number of millions on over paid chiefs not able to organise a piss up in a brewery.
Top heavy in suits like many organisations that seem to sit around tables patting each other on the backs for a job badly done.
Bring back the Ward Matron, give responsibility back to the nurses and mid wives, and let the Dr´s do what they´re good at!
Wards would be cleaner, more efficient and more proffesional!
Having worked in a profession for over 20 years and witnessed the havoc caused by the employment of these "business managers/Directors" that cleary know and understand f### all about the profession they´re managing, I can only sympathise for the ground staff in the NHS.
Back to the OP´s original question, yes I would pay per visit but it shouldn´t be necessary if left to the professionals!
 
Old Dec 4th 2014 | 10:25 pm
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Isn't it about time that we bust this myth that everyone in the NHS works terribly hard.

No they don't. They work a contracted amount of hours which is far less than many others in the Private Sector, they have superior pension arrangements and superior benefits.

I'm sure many do work hard but there are also a great many that play the system. Anytime I visit someone in hospital it seems to ma great deal of time is spent at the nurses station hanging around and chatting.

Didn't happen in Matrons day
 
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Isn't it about time that we bust this myth that everyone in the NHS works terribly hard.

No they don't. They work a contracted amount of hours which is far less than many others in the Private Sector, they have superior pension arrangements and superior benefits.

I'm sure many do work hard but there are also a great many that play the system. Anytime I visit someone in hospital it seems to ma great deal of time is spent at the nurses station hanging around and chatting.

Didn't happen in Matrons day
It all comes down to piss poor managment!
 
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Originally Posted by stuboy
Isn't it about time that we bust this myth that everyone in the NHS works terribly hard.

No they don't. They work a contracted amount of hours which is far less than many others in the Private Sector, they have superior pension arrangements and superior benefits.

I'm sure many do work hard but there are also a great many that play the system. Anytime I visit someone in hospital it seems to ma great deal of time is spent at the nurses station hanging around and chatting.

Didn't happen in Matrons day


I spent 10 years working in a hospital in my younger days & we never had the time to stand around chatting.
At that time all wards were run by a ward sister & the Matron would regularly inspect all aspects of the ward & chat to the patients.
God help you if she found anything wrong !!!
 
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No they don't. They work a contracted amount of hours which is far less than many others in the Private Sector, they have superior pension arrangements and superior benefits.
That applies to most of the public sector.
Whoever wins the next election will have to deal with public sector costs and reduce them to what the country can afford.
The most sensible way is to reduce the size of the workforce and get the remainder working more effectively/efficiently.
Some chance, the managers have their own jobs to preserve!
 
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That applies to most of the public sector.
Whoever wins the next election will have to deal with public sector costs and reduce them to what the country can afford.
The most sensible way is to reduce the size of the workforce and get the remainder working more effectively/efficiently.
Some chance, the managers have their own jobs to preserve!
... or privatise...
 
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Originally Posted by johnnyone
That applies to most of the public sector.
Whoever wins the next election will have to deal with public sector costs and reduce them to what the country can afford.
The most sensible way is to reduce the size of the workforce and get the remainder working more effectively/efficiently.
Some chance, the managers have their own jobs to preserve!
Very true. But there's nothing out of the ordinary about that.

Governments don't have the same set of metrics as the private sector. Competition being the most obvious. Money comes in, you spend it. If you don't spend it, you don't get it next year. Need more money? raise taxes. simples.

Conversely, the private sector has to compete. That means watching every penny, and always searching for ways to deliver a better product more efficiently. If they don't the business goes elsewhere.

Wouldn't it be great if we could choose which government is giving us the best value for >our< money? (it is OUR money, by the way). You can argue that one political party or another does it better, but in the end, it's still a monopoly without competition, and that alone sets much of the rules.

I suppose you could argue that there are other governments that are more efficient and offer a better value for YOUR money, but then, taking any advantage of that competition makes you a cheat in the eyes of your country. Monopolies hate competition.

Oh, and by the way, the theory that certain political groups are trying to "carve it all up" for some mysterious destruction aspiration is a very short-sighted and completely senseless argument.

Political parties all have varying opinions and strategies for "improving" things (often unwittingly causing more damage than good), but destruction for the sake of destruction benefits nobody, including politicians or their parties.
 
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Monopolies hate competition.
Monopolies certainly do but it's not just public sector. There are plenty of big businesses that are monopolies or "ring" their prices among themselves.

Many also avoid paying their taxes in the country where they make their profits.

I am not anti public sector, I am anti unfairness whether that be public or private sector.
 


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