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et al what ???

Can't see much else he's achieved.:confused:

As far as most Spanish apart from those with red eyeballs are concerned he's been an absolute disaster, much like Brown he continued to fiddle while Rome burned when drastic positive action should have been the order of the day.

It's very difficult to imagine the next guy being any worse than the hapless Mr Bean. :o

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If the PP get in, I suspect a lot of belts will need to be tightened a bit.

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As they say, and don't ask me who, a stitch in time saves nine.

BEAN,BROWN,...FAIL.

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I'd rather have a hapless Mr bean than a vicious PP. Do you really think life will be any better under them?

UK and Spain are in the shit financially for a lot of reasons, and it's a little more complex than simply blaming the person who had the watch at the time.

The governments of the left AND the right were happy to slacken off controls on the banking system despite the warnings given to them that it made us less safe. Lots of people were warning that the property markets were a bubble waiting to burst, but Brown paid no heed. In this, the Tories are also to blame, because they too were entranced by all the lovely gravy, and they didn't get up on their hind legs and say that something ought to be done to slow the rise of the bubble.

The government as a whole were responsible for the parlous state we found ourselves in, and then the US tipped the market over by selling NINJA mortgages to anyone who could hold a pen.

So it isn't Zappy or Brown who are to blame, it's every single member of gvernment. The partisan comments like blaming Zappy and Brown are just what government loves. It reassures them that you haven't seen what they are up to and they can go on their merry way regardless.

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They are all a fail, left and right together.

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Yes, but they were quite happy to take the plaudits when things were (seemingly) going well..
There is another point here. Who were the people (mainly house buyers) happy to take advantage of what seemed like free money ie the property price bubble? In many ways we can blame ourselves, not just the politicians, for the state of the economy.

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I'm a bit worried about the patriotic Guardia Civil, who always vote PP. Round my way they've started fining car-driving foreigners in a big way, the favourite one is for using a mobile while driving which costs a 200 Euro fine.

The trouble is, the foreigners being fined for using mobiles while driving are innocent. One woman had hers in a zipped up handbag, others don't even own a mobile.

The GC rely on the silly foreigners just paying up because they know they can't win against the police.

My point is that the PP are less foreigner friendly than the socialists.

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Absolutely, but dont worry, they only see Northern Europeans as a cash cow, they wont descriminate against them enough to drive them out of the country

Its the Muslims, Eastern Europeans and Latin Americans who need to be afraid of the PP

And to that you can add the Catalans, Basques, anarchists, socialists, communists and indignados

Inclusive they are not

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Exactly. The Irish and British were buying off-plan property on the CDS as if there were no tomorrow. Simply because they could get a mortgage. In the UK many were topping up their mortgages when the equity in their house increased.

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True, people knew full well it couldn't go on forever, but I blame the little people who just strove to give themselves a financial break less harshly than I do those in power.

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Wind power, with all the hot hair from the politicians.

What concerns me is that if PP win, as I reckon they will, Aznar will be there in the background, which wouldn't go down too well up here. Not noted for dialogue, & certainly not with his English!

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I'm known for my dislike of politicians of all stripes, with a couple of exceptions, sometimes for odd reasons.

I can never understand why so many people at the bottom of the heap continue to vote for the right when the right wing of politics is so far in the camp of the rich and the powerful.

I think they appeal to the nasty side in a lot of cases, the racist card is one you usually find the right playing.

The promise of tax cuts, when for the basic earners, tax cuts usually mean at best a small amount in their pocket, an increase in some other tax bigger than the amount gained, and a reduction in services which will almost certainly cost them more than the few extra quid they get back.

Of course, for the big earners, tax cuts are great. They get a shedload back, the increase in other taxes is small beer to them, and they usually don't even use the services that the poorer members of society depend on.

In short, the right and their tax cutting systems are, more often than not going to screw the bulk of the population while enriching the topsector.

So when I see so many poorer people voting Tory, I have to assume that they are too stupid to do basic adding up, or else too thick to grasp what they really get, or so desperate to hang onto every single penny they earn, they don't realise that by letting go of a little, they stand to gain a lot.

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your comments seem quite astute & lucid. I guess most politicians do it for the glory/money.
Ones like "the beast of Bolsover" (i forget his name momentarily) are rare.
I've always preferred to lump together the best bits of all parties, which is rather impractical with the system we have. You have to take the rough with the smooth as it were.
I detest the way that our previous government seemed to "destroy" the family in the name of equality, but that they also supported the underprivileged.

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The "beast of Bolsover" is Dennis Skinner - just about the best public speaker I have ever heard. He never misses a Commons sitting, refuses to take part in the pairing system which allows MPs to miss Parliamentary votes, and won't even eat in the Commons dining rooms.

Another politician I admire is Frank Field, although many of his views are much further to the right than Dennis's! If his ideas on reforms to the benefits system had been adopted by the Blair Government, the UK might not be in as much of a mess as it is now.

Both of them are men of principle, something all too obviously lacking in the vast majority of today's politicians.

And I totally agree with Bil's views on the stupidity of the working class who vote Tory - but what's their alternative since the Labour party became almost indistinguishable from them?

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Dennis Skinner, yeah, George Galloway also had a very good reputation as an MP from his constituents, no matter that he is possibly certifiably insane.

The Labour party, yeah, I know what you mean, but at their worst, they are still better for the working man than the tories are.

The tories are simply better at selling themselves to shortsighted idiots.

They are best summed up by the humerous conservative poster that read

"Britains better off better off are better off with the Selfservatives."