what would get spain back up and on it feet again ....

The Facts
Spain has one free think ... it called the "SUN" ... dosent cost any think ,it there 8 -10 hours aday , 300 - 365 days ayear

We need two get back the tourists

You could have hotels and apartments full with people if thay drop there hight prices ,
keep price down and people will come ... its a facted Makes Economic Sense

less foreign tourists than the same month in the previous year july 2012 via airport stats of most major spanish airports

Spanish Tourism Industry Prepares for Difficult Summer
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...374441994.html

the Spanish Tourism dept would want get off the Ass and work two bring people back two spain , get tv ads up and running again ,
get hotels and apartments to drop pricing ...

people are now pissed getting ripped off and look for vale in the Euro r Pound

In 2007, Spain became the second most visited country of the world after France. That year, almost 60 million foreign tourists were received, according to the World Tourism Organization . we not droped two 4th in the list 2010 Spain ($53 billion) income now this is only about 35billion

that one big drop ....

isnt that an about face ? one minute you say its ok to have violent demonstration but then say it isnt acceptable to respond/retaliate.
makes you sound like a student

I believe children should receive free the best of education possible to enable them to make their way in the world. However, repeating, that uni is for many a big piss up for 3 years, when the course could be completed inside 18 months if they just worked at it. So lets give it to them for free - inside 18 months, or pay if 3 years.

As to my being uneducated - well you can sling mud if you think it will stick, but I have paid for a lot of my education, I have never got less that 85% on any exam since I left school, usually it is in the mid 90's.

And no I didnt make it up

I would add all non-vocational subjects. Public money should only pay for those who are going to be of benefit to the public.

What do you classify as a vocational subject?

Traditionally all classical degrees are non-vocational. Oxford and Cambridge are the best unis in the country and they dont have any vocational subjects (possibly law, but that only becomes vocactional post-grad). However, they churn out the majority of our business leaders, politicians, bankers, lawyers, scientists etc

You need to become educated before then applying your knowledge, otherwise you are just a trained monkey.

It is the cr*ppy degrees that are actually vocational. Media studies and golf course management are very vocational!

I guess I can add universities as another thing that people on this forum dont know very much about

Spain has been effectively "bailed out" since the day it joined the EU, it's been the largest recipient of EU hand outs for years. EU money paid for airports that have never seen a plane, roads going nowhere, failed fanciful vanity products all over the country, it short the money was simply squandered. Well the wheels have well and truly come off the gravy train, Spain will have to start paying it's way, but instead it's still holding it's greedy little hand out asking for more. Much more!

Which is exactly what is happening - you start to pay for your education when your salary reaches a certain level.

There is only 1 airport that has not seen a plane - the one in Castellon

Was that funded by EU funds? I'm pretty sure it wasnt, it was funded by a massive bank loan to the local government and the crooked Carlos Fabra. Similar to the notorious Lleida and Ciudad Real airports, they got their money from the Cajas, but it was leveraged against Spanish tax payers money

Spain is having trouble because it cannot refinance their debt, nothing to do with EU grants

If they could get loans at the same rate as the UK or Germany then Spain would be in a very healthy position reguarding its finances

now if I didn't know better that is an elitist statement

It was a Socialist Government that withdrew free University!

Sorry, but you have been misinformed!

Spain only received 0.04% of its GDP, the lowest of any of the net recipients (i.e. countries which take out more than they put in) and was the fourth biggest contributor in 2007.

EU budget

I don't think so, you're talking about now, I'm talking about about a few years ago, hence that's why I said it now has to start paying it's way, although it will still be a net recipient. (unlike UK which has only ever ever been a net contributor) It doesn't actually lose that until 2013. Whichever way you look at it, Spain has had billions and mostly wasted it.

You might be surprised by what forum members know about universities. I don't want to start a north/south war, but Sheffield university isn't a real one and never was one, and I believe that's where you got the degree you crow about at every opportunity.

You might fool a Spanish employer with a degree from Sheffield, but in the south of England they would laugh at you.

Lighten up a bit, you're lucky to be employed at all in Spain.

A lot of Southerners go to Sheffield University. Doesn't sound too bad according to Wikki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Sheffield

I think you will find that there are a number of degree awarding institutions in Sheffield. The Victorian university in Sheffield is a member of the Russell group which includes a number of Northern Universities and also London University colleges plus Bristol and others about 30 in total and they are regarded as the best unis in UK outside Oxbridge and Durham.

[QUOTE=jackytoo;10255566]A lot of Southerners go to Sheffield University. Doesn't sound too bad according to Wikki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Sheffield[/QUO

I know that, Jackie, but the poster needs to be corrected occasionally when he gets out of hand. If he had any sense he would get his family out of Spain as soon as he possible, and Sheffield wouldn't be a bad place to go back to.