What will the future hold?
Aug 30th 2012, 12:14 pm
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What will the future hold?
Several regions of Spain are teetering on the precipice of financial catastrophe....I think the opportunity to ‘Take the bull by the horns’ may have passed for the government to take the road to salvation, (Though a difficult road it may be ), down the exit route from the EU.....The more Merkle and her vacuous cronies delve their tentacles into the Med nations through deepening the fiscal debt....The closer to a European federation dictated to by an elitist few we become.....With the planned cuts biting hard and further and deeper ones planned, it will not be long before social unrest and upheaval inevitably happens on a scale which may lead to huge changes in this country...
The leaders of this nation have lost the way of truth,
Like an aged wounded beast searching for its youth,
They lurch, they lean and blunder thier way blind,
To what, to where, not seeming to even mind.
What will be the outcome, of this sad reproachful waste,
A future of reflection and a bad and bitter taste,
Of what, and could, and might have been conceived,
If right and good and truth had been achieved.
The leaders of this nation have lost the way of truth,
Like an aged wounded beast searching for its youth,
They lurch, they lean and blunder thier way blind,
To what, to where, not seeming to even mind.
What will be the outcome, of this sad reproachful waste,
A future of reflection and a bad and bitter taste,
Of what, and could, and might have been conceived,
If right and good and truth had been achieved.
Aug 30th 2012, 12:21 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Any evidence for this?
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
Aug 30th 2012, 12:27 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Very interesting article here, on how the German state of Hesse is seeking up to 400,000 unemployed Spanish to work in Germany. Trouble is, they need to know German... (the German state of Hesse includes expensive places like Frankfurt, which is presumably why they can't attract German unemployed to relocate there).
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana...aleman-104500/
Now of course there won't be anything like 400,000 go. But Spanish workers will have to be more flexible, and go where the work is. If Inditex needs shop supervisors to re-locate to China, or if the Rail company needs technicians to work in Istanbul or Israel, then people will have to re-locate.
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana...aleman-104500/
Now of course there won't be anything like 400,000 go. But Spanish workers will have to be more flexible, and go where the work is. If Inditex needs shop supervisors to re-locate to China, or if the Rail company needs technicians to work in Istanbul or Israel, then people will have to re-locate.
Aug 30th 2012, 12:30 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Very interesting article here, on how the German state of Hesse is seeking up to 400,000 unemployed Spanish to work in Germany. Trouble is, they need to know German... (the German state of Hesse includes expensive places like Frankfurt, which is presumably why they can't attract German unemployed to relocate there).
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana...aleman-104500/
Now of course there won't be anything like 400,000 go. But Spanish workers will have to be more flexible, and go where the work is. If Inditex needs shop supervisors to re-locate to China, or if the Rail company needs technicians to work in Istanbul or Israel, then people will have to re-locate.
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana...aleman-104500/
Now of course there won't be anything like 400,000 go. But Spanish workers will have to be more flexible, and go where the work is. If Inditex needs shop supervisors to re-locate to China, or if the Rail company needs technicians to work in Istanbul or Israel, then people will have to re-locate.
WILL ???
surely the option to say NO is still there at the moment ??
and what if Germans want/need those jobs in the future ??
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Last edited by Domino; Aug 30th 2012 at 12:32 pm.
Aug 30th 2012, 12:33 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Any evidence for this?
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
Peaceful demonstrations may come and go, but as soon as anyone as much as bats an eyelid or even gives a copper a black look, they know they can expect to get the shit beaten out of them PDQ.
Truly amazing just what a calming influence such tactics have.
Aug 30th 2012, 12:49 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
None of this prevents numpties (oh so full of apologies after the event, when it looks like they will get prison) from throwing a fire extinguisher from the roof of a building.
And where were the police when the same numpty peed up the side of the Cenotaph and climbed up it ??
hitting them isnt the answer, taking their personal belongings and smashing and burning them in front of their friends - now thats a good idea.
And where were the police when the same numpty peed up the side of the Cenotaph and climbed up it ??
hitting them isnt the answer, taking their personal belongings and smashing and burning them in front of their friends - now thats a good idea.
Aug 30th 2012, 1:09 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
None of this prevents numpties (oh so full of apologies after the event, when it looks like they will get prison) from throwing a fire extinguisher from the roof of a building.
And where were the police when the same numpty peed up the side of the Cenotaph and climbed up it ??
hitting them isnt the answer, taking their personal belongings and smashing and burning them in front of their friends - now thats a good idea.
And where were the police when the same numpty peed up the side of the Cenotaph and climbed up it ??
hitting them isnt the answer, taking their personal belongings and smashing and burning them in front of their friends - now thats a good idea.
Charging students £10k a year to go to university is a valid reason to smash up the HQ of the Tory party
And maybe if a few bankers had hung from lamposts a few years ago then things may have worked out for the better
Even the great social advances of the C20th only came about because of the two WWs.
The US are very good at maintaining a passive population. There is nothing better for a politician or banker, it means they dont notice who is stealing from them, or even better, dont care
Aug 30th 2012, 1:11 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Will Ibiza continue to part fools from their money?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323239634.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323239634.html
Dance music has been kind to Ibiza. While the rest of Spain suffered double-digit recession turmoil, the financial sun continues to shine here. Clubs in Ibiza, are as busy (and expensive) as they’ve ever been. Entry to any of the island’s four super-clubs (Pacha, Privilege, Amnesia and Space) will cost up to €80, while patrons can also expect to fork out up to €17 for a vodka and coke, and a minimum of €10 for a bottle of water.
Aug 30th 2012, 1:23 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Will Ibiza continue to part fools from their money?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323239634.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323239634.html
Aug 30th 2012, 1:27 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Any evidence for this?
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
I find the Spanish media to be remarkably placid about what is happening - and although the 15-M movement have said a lot of good things, they have petered out and it hasnt lead to anything important. The politicians only ever say that they want to continue in Europe and with the Euro
Up here, day-to-day I see things just going on as normal. Loads of people in the cafes, shops busy etc. Not as busy as 5 years ago, but still
All we are seeing is a correction in the availability of credit, so properties are becoming cheaper, those companies on the brink are going bust while utilities and fuel are becoming more expensive because the world's major currencies are being deliverately devalued by the banks and governments
I dont see a revolution happening soon
Aug 30th 2012, 1:28 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
I'm actually pro violent revolution (as a concept), sometimes it is needed and is the only way a change can be made. History shows this
Charging students £10k a year to go to university is a valid reason to smash up the HQ of the Tory party
And maybe if a few bankers had hung from lamposts a few years ago then things may have worked out for the better
Even the great social advances of the C20th only came about because of the two WWs.
The US are very good at maintaining a passive population. There is nothing better for a politician or banker, it means they dont notice who is stealing from them, or even better, dont care
Charging students £10k a year to go to university is a valid reason to smash up the HQ of the Tory party
And maybe if a few bankers had hung from lamposts a few years ago then things may have worked out for the better
Even the great social advances of the C20th only came about because of the two WWs.
The US are very good at maintaining a passive population. There is nothing better for a politician or banker, it means they dont notice who is stealing from them, or even better, dont care
Aug 30th 2012, 1:28 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
I'm actually pro violent revolution (as a concept), sometimes it is needed and is the only way a change can be made. History shows this
Charging students £10k a year to go to university is a valid reason to smash up the HQ of the Tory party
And maybe if a few bankers had hung from lamposts a few years ago then things may have worked out for the better
Even the great social advances of the C20th only came about because of the two WWs.
The US are very good at maintaining a passive population. There is nothing better for a politician or banker, it means they dont notice who is stealing from them, or even better, dont care
Charging students £10k a year to go to university is a valid reason to smash up the HQ of the Tory party
And maybe if a few bankers had hung from lamposts a few years ago then things may have worked out for the better
Even the great social advances of the C20th only came about because of the two WWs.
The US are very good at maintaining a passive population. There is nothing better for a politician or banker, it means they dont notice who is stealing from them, or even better, dont care
so when a student gets hung from a lamp post for getting in my way when travelling home its ok - cman said so.
charging for education is no problem - if I want to take a CPD course I have to pay for it, if universities weren't so lax it would be possible to complete many degrees inside 18months, instead of 3 years pissing up in the uni bar.
Education is wasted on the young.
disagreement, demonstration, fine
violence breeds violence, not fine
it reaches a point that if "students" start violent opposition then the authorities will respond to all opposition with violence, even if it is different "students", peaceful or not...
perhaps I should pull out my class notes when i did an anti-terrorist demonstration course, but will need a 0.303 to achieve the required result.
Aug 30th 2012, 1:40 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
I tend to agree with you Beast.
Sticking with the Euro and handing over control to an unelected bunch in Brussels means years of pain for Spain. Well into the 2020's. I am afraid as yet the ordinary man in the street hasn't felt the real pain yet. As such they haven't thought too hard about revolting.
As to bail outs. Spain was apparently too big to bail out. Now it appears it isn't with a bit of creativity. Merkel is just kicking the tin along until she is re elected. Have you seen any EU countries that have been bailed out and the populace are happy? far better in my view to default, start with a clean slate and re introduce the peseta. Sure their would be hefty devaluation. Spain could easily up tourism by 50% with some simple measures
Sticking with the Euro and handing over control to an unelected bunch in Brussels means years of pain for Spain. Well into the 2020's. I am afraid as yet the ordinary man in the street hasn't felt the real pain yet. As such they haven't thought too hard about revolting.
As to bail outs. Spain was apparently too big to bail out. Now it appears it isn't with a bit of creativity. Merkel is just kicking the tin along until she is re elected. Have you seen any EU countries that have been bailed out and the populace are happy? far better in my view to default, start with a clean slate and re introduce the peseta. Sure their would be hefty devaluation. Spain could easily up tourism by 50% with some simple measures
Aug 30th 2012, 1:41 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Personally, no. Education should be available to all - and tertiary education to all who are capable
I am also against the stupid courses they have in the UK. Half of them are not of any worth. If people want to pay to do media studies or golf course management then sure, a private university can host those courses
But the "proper" uni courses should be freely available. After all, the whole of society benefits from a Dr, engineer or scientist
If more tax is needed then up the tax of higher salaries. Since most of the best paid people are graduates anyway then this seems fair
I am also against the stupid courses they have in the UK. Half of them are not of any worth. If people want to pay to do media studies or golf course management then sure, a private university can host those courses
But the "proper" uni courses should be freely available. After all, the whole of society benefits from a Dr, engineer or scientist
If more tax is needed then up the tax of higher salaries. Since most of the best paid people are graduates anyway then this seems fair
Aug 30th 2012, 2:00 pm
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Re: What will the future hold?
Personally, no. Education should be available to all - and tertiary education to all who are capable
I am also against the stupid courses they have in the UK. Half of them are not of any worth. If people want to pay to do media studies or golf course management then sure, a private university can host those courses
But the "proper" uni courses should be freely available. After all, the whole of society benefits from a Dr, engineer or scientist
I am also against the stupid courses they have in the UK. Half of them are not of any worth. If people want to pay to do media studies or golf course management then sure, a private university can host those courses
But the "proper" uni courses should be freely available. After all, the whole of society benefits from a Dr, engineer or scientist