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And what makes you think I was talking about you? Hmm? I mean we all know you have far too much taste to drive an FTO or... oh I don't know, a Suzuki....

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I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it, but marijuana use is legal in Spain. And they don't have to grow that nasty skunk, the mellow Moroccan Gold is plentiful and cheap as chips. You don't even have to buy it, tons of it is washed up on the shores.

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No it isn't.

Consumption in a public place and possession of small quantities for personal use only is decriminalised. Decriminalisation and legality are two entirely different things.

Spains laws also protects an individuals right to personal freedom in the privacy of their own home and tolerates the cultivation and consumption of small quantities for personal consumption.

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If I replied by saying 'Oh, yes it is', the discussion would turn farcical, so I won't. Prostitution is also legal in Spain and the age of consent is 13, although they're going to raise it to 16 in the near future.

Back on topic, Spanish youth, like youth everywhere is impatient, they don't want to walk the stairway to heaven and have to smoke two spliffs to appreciate the music, they go to the toilet and snort a line, and when they walk back into the disco, they're in instant heaven.

Marijuana is for the old hippies, they buy a litre of cheap vodka for a fiver, another fiver gets them the smokes, and then a gaggle of them sit around talking gibberish for the rest of the night.

What they should make illegal is talking gibberish.

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On the internet one can find an article to prove any point if you look hard enough.

However as the OP on this thread, I really even hesitated to open it as it would mean revealing publicly that I had taken it. But I had just seen the CNN report mentioned there and felt that the discussion would be interesting.

Then the discussion progressed and we saw real life examples of e.g approved use in Israel, and parts of USA, the results of the real life tests done in Portugal, Uruguay's project, the widespread de-criminalisation (where police forces are effectively saying they have better things to do with taxpayers money/resources) etc etc etc.

Of course I came in pretty positive about medical use.

Like any decision there are positives and negatives... And 3 wrongs don't make a right. Meaning just because alcohol is acceptable and a more addictive and damaging drug than cannabis, doesnt mean we should open the door for any other less problematic drug, for THAT reason only ....

Also do I want to see groups of youths in public places high on weed? NO. Then again I think they are less threatening than the same tanked up on cheap supermarket cider. But legalising it would possibly mean we have both, or a mix. A negative.

However my views are YES for medical use. If I ever get that kind of pain, again, will take it legal or not, criminalised or not.

I now am very positive about the positives outweighing the negatives of legalisation of cannabis. So would welcome PROPER PUBLIC DEBATE with me starting with a yes opinion.

What I didn't expect to happen was that I became positive about having a proper public discussion about legalisation / de-criminalisation of harder drugs... Re Portugal's example.

The drug cartels are a huge power of evil in this world, HUGE and if we had a Portugal style plan..... Or a controlled government policy offering safely produced drugs using the profits to have health programmes (e.g clean needles, counselling, withdrawal programmes etc etc)... Then I suspect that there would a bunch of positives to consider.

Negatives too.... But rather than STIFLING the debate, I would like to see a PROPER public debate on that, with me coming in with an open, slightly positive mind.

Thanks for all the info, positive and negative.

Jon

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Blimey, how can you write so much sense, so early in the morning? Have you looked outside? It's pissing down, mother earth is smiling again.

The use of substances to make our world a happier place has gone on for centuries. A trillion books have been written on the subject and I don't believe for one minute that Bill Clinton didn't inhale.

My feel-good drug for this morning is going to be a walk in the rain. I'm debating whether to take the dogs, I've got an umbrella but they haven't.

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Perhaps it´s what he put on his cornflakes :blink:

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What I DO fail to understand (and I'm sure I will be shot down in flames here) is why there's such a big fuss about Cannabis being legal or not when a drug which seemingly causes so much more death, destruction and mayhem throughout the world is available to absolutely anyone who wants to go and buy it .... damn it, we're even encouraged to buy it, and many brag about using it on a really regular basis. We use it to relax, we use it to celebrate.

You all know what it is ..... so why dont we just ban that to bring things into line :lol:

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Good one made me laugh out loud! :thumbsup:

I'm in the continent, so we are an hour ahead.... so its not so early for me... but thanks HBG.

Thanks

Jon

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Though I wouldn´t like the outcome as I do enjoy a glass, I think you have a very solid point!
I know "smokers" who barely drink a drop. Likewise drinkers who don´t smoke.
It´s like the pot and the kettle. All those drinkers saying dope should be illegal!
I know which crew I prefer to spend time with.
Here´s a clue, the ones that know how loud they´re talking. The ones that can walk a straight line. The same ones that don´t want to start a fight over a bag of chips before vomitting over their own shoes. The ones who don´t mind if they noticed you catch the sight of their partner in your line of sight. The ones that understand football is just a game and no reason to cause gbh ... I could go on :o

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Since I've had a laugh this morning, and just to lighten things for a second (on this serious subject) ... before re-entering the fray, let me 'go on' for you... for those that missed this on the other thread....

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...postcount=1892

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What makes me wonder, and sometimes shudder are those 'born again' people. I see a lot of former smokers around and they're all on those ridiculous e-cigarettes, great big things that look really silly. And they look really miserable while puffing away defiantly.

And then the former drinkers. They've spent a lifetime ruining their livers and terrifying those around them, and suddenly they're clogging up the Churches to beg for forgiveness.

I live on the outskirts of a Spanish city of some 150,000 inhabitants. There are no less than six AA meetings around, just in English, two in German and two for the Scandinavians, but only one for the Spanish.

I'm actually in favour of all those addicts trying to help themselves, I haven't led an exactly 'clean' life myself. I blame the makers of Woodbine who caused my first addiction as a young boy, followed by all those distilleries up north.

And I've got a single malt in the cupboard, along with some other frightening stuff.

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:goodpost:
You couldn't be more right. Everyone who likes a drink should stay sober one evening when out with friends - it's amazing how visible the behavioural changes are when people have been drinking, even if they don't get to the vomiting or fighting stage. I would far rather be in the company of people who've had a smoke (I don't) than those who've been drinking when I haven't.

Another odd thing I've always noticed is that smokers are far more tolerant of people who don't share their habit, I've been offered a spliff hundreds of times and just said no thanks, I don't smoke. The only comment I ever get is "but you don't mind if we do?", out of politeness. If I join a group of people who are drinking, though, and I say I'll just have a soft drink, I always have to spend several minutes listening to "Oh go on, have a proper drink", "just one won't hurt you", "are you sure", "have a drink, don't be miserable" and so on.

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You all know what it is ..... so why dont we just ban that to bring things into line :lol:[/QUOTE]

Because it's already been tried and failed miserably.
Prohibition in the US, which lead to gangsters fighting out turf wars, exactly as seen regarding the hard drugs scene today.

Marijauna is slightly different to alcohol and baccy in that as far as the Western world is concerned it's only come on the scene comparatively recently and so the powers that be were obviously hoping to stop it becoming the norm and just as readily available as the others.

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It would indeed. But only because you'd be repeating the same thing said previously which would still be incorrect. You may consider I'm being pedantic but I'd rather give later readers of this thread the correct information than allow incorrect information to be accepted as being true.

It might be a subtle difference but as previously stated decriminalisation and legality are two quite different things.

Is that not a little too over-generalised?