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Hi I'm young male looking for bar management position in Spain preferably with a person looking to or has just opened a bar I will bring with me a desire to succeed new ideas a niche market that I believe will make the business stand out from the rest but appeal to all nationality. Please contact me with any opportunities

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Perhaps you could give potential employers here a little more information about yourself, such at age and previous experience.

While I don't want to appear to be negative, there are literally thousands of people looking for that kind of work here in Spain, if you want to get noticed your CV needs to make you stand out from the crowd!

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Very good point my only problem is putting too much detail up. So my cv is available upon request. I'm 25 been working in bars for the past 5years and although I may not have that many years experience I'm very confident of what I have to give to any prospective employer. My reason for wanting to do this in Spain is that I believe there is a niche market to take advantage of and my main goal is to tap into this. I currently live in London and I have become disillusioned by how expensive it is here I am currently working to live every day.

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have you tried to google for employment at xxxxxx or barwork at xxxxxx
or hotel work at xxxxxxxx ??

you may find some things there, otherwise try googling English papers in Spain and see the small ads there

with 20% and rising amongst Spaniards in the 18-35 age group, as well as people from Eastern and Central Europe moving in you will find the competition fierce.

oh and although it is sunny most of the time, you will find that alot of the bars are seasonal and are closing or reducing hours to cover the reduction in people on holiday.

Spain is a big place, larger than the Uk so you have many places to choose from.

good luck, you will need it - especially if you can't speak Spanish

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Couple of months ago, 25's and under, unemployment was 46%, 49% for men, I doubt it has gone down.
http://www.datosmacro.com/paro/espan...-25&sc=LAB-25-

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Just a point about the "niche market", that is usually decided before the place is opened, because the location, decor, prospective clients ect is all done in the planning stage.

Changing from one type of establishment to another is a big risk, it would also be a place that is not doing so great (so employing a manager would be out of the question), because there would be no need for great change otherwise.

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You may not want to hear this but the short answer is NO, I am the optimist and always say "never say never" but to come out here on a wing and a pray at the end of the season looking for a position that many other people are qualified to do is a huge risk. Spain is still very much a who you know country not what you know and to a great extent I have found that it follows through with employees, many of the bars are family run with 3 generations involved in some way.

The couple that come out here to live the dream and run a bar do so together as they can not afford to pay someone to do it as there is just not the footfall, the flexibility and with the local police, town hall and the odd neighbour trying to put you out of business breathing down your neck the last thing you want to do is be paying someone a wage.

Good luck with your quest, try saving up and coming out for an extended holiday and doing some leg work, you may just be lucky but do not bank on getting work just enjoy the holiday and any work is a bonus.

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get up in the morning, learn something new, go to bed feeling the day has been worth it and have learnt something

thanks
even if it is worse than most people have been saying

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Very sensible post, a touch of reality. :thumbup:

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during the skype call with the BH this evening she told me the bar round the corner, run by nice Spanish lady with very good English, years of experience in hotel and catering in Malaga, very confident, has put up the shutters on her bar after less than a year.

I know it could be a difficult area at this time because of the tram works blocking trade but if the Spanish with experience can't make it work then what chance has a guiri

rgds

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Have recently returned home after a short break at our house in Spain.
Got dragged to a rastro and was surprised by the number of pitchs run by ex-pats selling any and everthing.
Hardly living the life and shows how difficult things can get for some in Spain.
Look before you leap.
Also whilst Spain may be cheaper than Uk, the gap is not that wide and salaries are less.

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The car boot in Fuengirola has at least 50 ex-pats with stalls...living the dreem;)

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Not my normal stomping grounds, but a few years ago we visited the market by the bullring near Puerto Banus, and the picture that sticks in my mind is a Brit sat on the floor doing crochet. She had some finished articles around her, and despite passing her several times, I never saw anyone show the slightest interest in her products. That was my thought as well, living the dream. :confused:

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I must buy you an abacas to carry round, it might help with your counting. :D
I go there every week, the figure is probably nearer 20 including the Germans and Eastern Europeans that speak english out of 300-400 stalls, the rest are Morros, Spanish and pikey fruit sellers and looky looky men with handbags. :rofl:

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Another useless post. :frown: Why do you bother posting here if you hate Spain and the Brits living here so much ? :confused:

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you know jacky will just pass it on to one of her flunky's to do whilst she gets on with the nicer side of attending a boot sale, such as buying Hermes, etc.

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I've just been looking at the In-madrid magazine - you can find it on-line at http://www.in-madrid.com/ The normal Irish pub advertisers are in there - O'Neills, The Irish Rover, Dubliners etc., so it seems that the big city trade is pretty much as it was. Whether or not that means they will have vacancies is another matter. At one time they used to have expats working behind the bar, but I wonder if that is still the case - I'm visiting soon so may get a chance to pop in one. Anyway, perhaps it's a waste of time talking about the big cities like Madrid or Barcelona (although that's where the jobs are). You would need fluent Spanish (and Catalan in Barcelona) to get a job there I suspect. As for seeking a management role - again I think you will have to reconsider your options. A large proportion of bars and restaurants you come across will be owned and run by families (sometimes Chinese families nowadays). I doubt they'd be looking to put managers in place - you'd really need to have capital to start your own place. Or you could take on a franchise with the likes of Canas y Tapas or 100 Montaditos (who are expanding heavily both inside and outside Spain). But again you'll need fluent Spanish, the business knowledge to convince the companies to take you on, and a very large fighting fund to invest with (such a size many of us could retire on it !!!) . Lastly, I suspect you don't realise that there will be differences in working in bars in Spain. For instance, do you know how to slice a jamon, or which glass to serve cafe con hielo?

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Must have suddenly changed, infact it was the British who started it off. Probably should have posted it on the ashamed to be british thread!! I called with a Norwegian friend and she thought it was hilarious...all those Brits selling as she described, stuff they would put in the bin. Actually, I did feel a bit ashamed.

If there aren't many Brits there anymore perhaps they have left? They would have been lucky to earn 5 euro a day. I defer to your knowledge though if you go every week......are you mad;):rofl:

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Oi.... Embarrassed by the Brits! Get it right!
Besides that, jdr's not mad: being an advocate of rastrillos, car boots and even picking up stuff from beside the basura, I'd rather be someone not ashamed to recycle something perfectly serviceable (thus sensibly conserving my OH's hard-earned and not inconsiderable stash) than one of those prepared to provide children with an example of the throwaway society.

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I'm not ashamed to say that I've just bought some gorgeous second hand furniture from a few people returning to the UK - absolute bargains for me & better they make something for the stuff than just dump it or spend more than they can afford shipping it back

one particular piece is so huge that IF we ever left Spain I'd probably sell it on myself

I don't throw away old clothes - if they are in good condition I pass them to the charity shop - in leaner times I have had them sell things on a commission basis so that I get something back, not so lean times, they get the full sale price

my girls recently clubbed together & bought Guitar Hero & other games for the x-box - they were unused xmas pressies for a boy at school - he got a fair bit of cash & they got a real bargain

we have a facebook school book exchange - it encourages the kids to look after their books & saves money (they cost about 30 euros each & they need about 10 per child). Those who can afford to just donate them, some sell them on for a few euros each.

I'm with you Fiona - we should encourage recycling & swapping/sharing - it really is too much of a throwaway gimme gimme society - perhaps some good will come out of this recession if it teaches our children the value of money

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Lynnxa you haven't seen Fuengirola boot sale. What you are refering to has no resemblance, completely different.

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I thought that was the gitanos job looting the skips:rofl: No good having a stash of cash and living like the bottom of society.

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I will take some pics on Saturday.
I have bought 80€ shirts for a €, 60€ shorts for a € and loads of other bargains there, also a 300€ suit from a top Spanish tailors in Cudeca.
Must be the war baby in me, where we had to share our rations. :rofl:

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Even in places like St Johns Wood and Richmond, you can find car boot sales. I rarely go to one myself, but I can see the appeal.

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I am comfortable with my position, as is my OH, who worked his cotton socks off to get what he's got. He drives a decent new car in the UK, is currently on his 2nd cruise of the year and invests sometimes 5 figure sums but was the more recent of us to pick up something from the basura because it would be of use to us. (container for diy stuff in the poolhouse). Saves spending €30 or more needlessly in bauhaus or wherever. It also reduces landfill. etc. If being a recycler is being a gitana, bring it on!


I would say, however, that 2nd hand shops/& so on are far removed from the rastro at Fuengirola - assuming it's the one on the feria ground, near the overhead rail line. Doesn't mean you can't get some reasonable stuff if you have your thinking head on, though. About three or four years ago I bought a Tonka truck there for €4 which is still proving what tonka have always said about their brand!!!!

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Are we talking first or second here.:D

Graham

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We will have to sell our house complete with a dresser because there is no way that any removers would be able to get it out of the house. When we ordered it we explained the layout of the stairs and the measurements but were assured that they could get it in. Well, they did but in all honesty it was through sheer determination and a lot of sweat.

Regarding clothes we always put them into the re-cycling bin for others. Have given away tons of stuff and will again when it is cooler and I can face sorting things out. Will never throw things away unless it is broken or of no use to anyone.

Rosemary

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I have to be honest I am not surprised, mention that you want a crocheted whatever around here and they are only too pleased to have found someone that wants the articles they have made and will take them off of their hands. Like so many handicraft items that are made for pleasure disposing of them is a problem and let´s face it who is going to buy them.

Graham

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I would not be ashamed, I would feel very sad that they were so broke they were reduced to selling stuff that you would put in the bin.

To the OP, I really do not think you stand a cat-in-hell's chance of getting what you want in the present economic climate. Good luck anyway.

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Jacky - what do you do after you have worn your clothes two or three times and all your "friends" have seen you in them ??

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That's the point I was trying to make when I made my post about the Rastro. It was meant to be helpful to the OP. All it seems to have done is start yet another series of bickering posts.

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Just in passing, was looking in the Euro weekly News which you can find online there is a vacancy looking for bar staff for a new bar opening up on the cds. Might be worth a look at.

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Cheeeeeeky, late 40`s and 50`s, coupons needed for stuff like egg powder and 1 square of chocolate each. :eek:

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a couple of months ago many of us tried to dissuade a poster from moving to Spain as their only income would be from English books sold at car boot sales.

Why do so many people think that the UK holds the patent\copyright or whatever on these things? Surely for centuries someone with excess baggage, or plain down on luck, has put a blanket down by the side of the road and tried to sell it all - including the blanket! That isnt a Brit thing!

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I have to confess I've never heard anyone make any such a claim, much less "many people". I'm sure I'm not alone in never having been to a car boot sale, so perhaps I'm out of touch, but I always thought the whole idea of car boot sales originally came from the other side of the pond.

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I dont know if it is a Brit thing, I think it might have originated from the USA in the form of a "garage" sale, where people stick a table up outside their house.

But it iscertainly not a Spanish thing, I have never heard of a car booty in others parts of Spain where there is not a large British population.

Spanish dont go big on second hand stuff.

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Combined with another income, it might have worked to provide a few extras, but as a stand alone income it would be very touch and go.

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very touch and go indeed

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Whenever I've looked in an antiques shop in Spain (whether they are "proper" ones in the major cities, or what should actually be called junk shops) I've been horrified at the prices. They ask a fortune for stuff that could be bought very cheaply in the UK, especially now that "brown furniture" is out of fashion.

Likewise second hand shops for modern furniture and white goods - there is one at the edge of our town and I swear you can buy brand new cookers, fridges, etc. cheaper than what they have them marked up at.

Who are they expecting to buy the stuff?