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Notdunroamin Mar 20th 2021 9:43 pm

Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 
Initially aimed at criminals and those with something to have run away from the suggested spot checks in popular Brit watering holes should keep more than a few afraid and awake at night, 500 can only represent the tip of a very big iceberg!

https://global247news.com/2021/03/09/spain-expects-to-deport-in-excess-of-500-brits-from-the-costa-del-sol-costa-blanca/

spainrico Mar 20th 2021 9:55 pm

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Yes, I saw that article - good news no? Get rid of the scammers and criminals.

scot47 Mar 20th 2021 10:01 pm

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And send them back home ? NO, KEEP THEM IN ESPANA !

santaanita Mar 20th 2021 10:35 pm

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They will probally cross into portugal and join our overstayers on the algarve who think they are untouchable

Rosemary Mar 20th 2021 11:33 pm

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The best thing about this is that these people brought it on themselves. No-one forced them to live illegally. Going the legal route used to be easy in comparison with how it is nowadays. No sympathy from me.

Rosemary

mikelincs Mar 21st 2021 12:11 am

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I knew several people on the urbanisation we lived on who were 'under the radar' they were still paying taxes in the UK, still registered with their GP and still getting their prescriptions from the UK. Their comments were that, well it doesn't matter, we're not hurting anyone. The people whose house we bought, moved to France, but didn't do it fully legally, so we had all sorts of problems when we went to sign on the padron, and had the police visiting to check the other people were not living there. We did register on the padron and get residencia, cost us €6000 when we sold, we had no proof they had paid the property taxes when they bought, we did manage to trace them and gave details to the gestor who was dealing for us. No idea whether he got the money back from the banks as he disappeared with no forwarding address a few months later. We assume he got the money and appropriated it for his own use.

bobd22 Mar 21st 2021 1:01 am

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Such people believe they are not harming anyone yet often sit complaining about the plight of illegal immigrants flooding the UK and using the services "we Brits" have paid for. Ignoring the fact that for them it's "pot kettle black". When they are found out they will of course use that non legal defence " We are just pensioners we didn't know the rules" yeh right.

Notdunroamin Mar 21st 2021 2:24 am

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I'm sure we all know at least one or a few, I know I do.

scrubbedexpat147 Mar 21st 2021 3:27 am

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It seems like this will be a joint operation with the British police working with the Spanish. They probably know who they are where they live already. It’s worked in favour for the UK as they have been easier able to drive out the Albanian Mafia that run the drug trade in UK. Also the the Lithuanians that were heavily involved with drug importation in the UK.

scrubbedexpat147 Mar 21st 2021 3:31 am

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I can’t see the Spanish going that gung ho on potential British overstayers expecially when Costa del sol is home to the Russian mafia , the Algerian and morrocan mafia and some of the most powerful gypsy families in Europe.it actually quite laughable when you compare the traditional British crook on the run in comparison lol.

christmasoompa Mar 21st 2021 3:53 am

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 12986035)
I can’t see the Spanish going that gung ho on potential British overstayers expecially when Costa del sol is home to the Russian mafia , the Algerian and morrocan mafia and some of the most powerful gypsy families in Europe.it actually quite laughable when you compare the traditional British crook on the run in comparison lol.

That would make it more likely that they'll go after a British pensioner illegal immigrant. They'll be an easy target and a quick tick in the box, unlike a mafia member. :lol:

agree_to_disagree Mar 21st 2021 4:35 am

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Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 12986035)
It actually quite laughable when you compare the traditional British crook on the run in comparison lol.

Sorry but what do you think these “traditional British crooks” are, Arthur Daley or Robin Hood type characters???

Get real!

This people cannot earn an honest living and operate in the underworld and will make money by any illegal means possible, in order to survive! They lack any for of ethics and would rob you tomorrow given half a chance.

Please remove the rose-tinted glasses…

agree_to_disagree Mar 21st 2021 4:40 am

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 12986037)
That would make it more likely that they'll go after a British pensioner illegal immigrant. They'll be an easy target and a quick tick in the box, unlike a mafia member. :lol:

"British pensioner illegal immigrant", if someone is not legally here, then it is offski please to where they belong! That is what Brexit was all about, stopping the illegals flowing into the UK.

The flip side of Brexit is any British citizen who is now in Spain is now and has either overstayed their welcome or here illegally, should depart proto, before they get the heave ho!

Fred James Mar 21st 2021 5:08 am

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That article gives the impression that they are only after criminals, hence the 500 figure. However they already know how to find them and deal with them, but they would need training a bit if it was the overstayers and unregistered that they were after.

I hope they do try and get rid of the illegals as well as the criminals, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. They have never done anything about the thousands of illegal Brit vehicles in Spain. Any white van with a UK plate is 99.9% likely to be illegal but they still get away with it. Also, any UK plated car in Spain after April 1st is likely to be owned by an overstayer or illegal.

bobd22 Mar 21st 2021 6:42 am

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I totally agree Fred and like you I do hope they do something about them. I'm sure it will be much easier now and very difficult for those that haven't bothered to legalise their position. There has been ample opportunity to do that.

DaveLovesDee Mar 21st 2021 7:35 am

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12986064)
That article gives the impression that they are only after criminals, hence the 500 figure. However they already know how to find them and deal with them, but they would need training a bit if it was the overstayers and unregistered that they were after.

I hope they do try and get rid of the illegals as well as the criminals, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. They have never done anything about the thousands of illegal Brit vehicles in Spain. Any white van with a UK plate is 99.9% likely to be illegal but they still get away with it. Also, any UK plated car in Spain after April 1st is likely to be owned by an overstayer or illegal.

The article does say the 500 will include all Brits who haven't applied for or obtained residency.


Although it’s not just criminals the Spanish police will be after, it will be all British nationals that haven’t applied or obtain residency to which the Spanish police force expects to be at least 500 persons.Failure to return to the UK will see offenders fined heavily, deported with likelihood bans on returning to EU destinations.

Fred James Mar 21st 2021 10:46 am

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I know it says that, but if you are talking about Brits under the radar, 50000 would be a more realistic figure.

DaveLovesDee Mar 21st 2021 11:05 am

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12986205)
I know it says that, but if you are talking about Brits under the radar, 50000 would be a more realistic figure.

I think it's just a small area they're starting with, and I suspect the next area will be another 500, and so on....

agree_to_disagree Mar 21st 2021 11:26 am

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OK, worked it out, call all British illegals 'Zebedee' of MAGIC ROUNDABOUT fame...

Keeps it simple...


Rosemary Mar 21st 2021 11:30 am

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 
But the last word in the clip is tomorrow and we all know what that means.:rofl:

Rosemary

agree_to_disagree Mar 21st 2021 11:38 am

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Rosemary, next time, tell me something I don't know...

Notdunroamin Mar 21st 2021 5:43 pm

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...

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12986064)
They have never done anything about the thousands of illegal Brit vehicles in Spain.

That might have been true in the past but until now they've had little incentive.

Any white van with a UK plate is 99.9% likely to be illegal but they still get away with it have been getting away with it.

Also, any UK plated car in Spain after April 1st is likely to be owned by an overstayer or illegal.

Certainly any found being driven, I wouldn't relish the idea of being one roadside check away from arrest, detention, and deportation.

Also just in the past few weeks I've heard two first hand accounts of UK regged cars being lifted from the road outside non resident currently absent owners properties which would seem to suggest that post Brexit Trafico still have access to DVLA records in which case targeted stops are a real possibility.



Red Eric Mar 21st 2021 6:39 pm

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by Stingychips (Post 12986034)
It’s worked in favour for the UK as they have been easier able to drive out the Albanian Mafia that run the drug trade in UK. Also the the Lithuanians that were heavily involved with drug importation in the UK.

When did that happen?

And - if it's true - why wasn't it possible to have done so while we were still a member of the EU? Albania isn't even an EU member state.

bfg69bug Mar 21st 2021 7:48 pm

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by Notdunroamin (Post 12985950)
Initially aimed at criminals and those with something to have run away from the suggested spot checks in popular Brit watering holes should keep more than a few afraid and awake at night, 500 can only represent the tip of a very big iceberg!

https://global247news.com/2021/03/09...-costa-blanca/

Well theres a turn up for the books... i cant help a little smile.

agree_to_disagree Mar 22nd 2021 11:00 am

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https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-22/...w-brexit-rules

Squeaky bum time, for some...

bobd22 Mar 22nd 2021 8:31 pm

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986624)

I saw that on TV last night what a non report. You would think somehow the changes because of Brexit had been hidden from people and that only UK should impose controls not the EU actually apply controls to UK after it left. The rules are there if people don't comply they have to accept any consequences applied there was ample warning of what was coming .

DLC Mar 22nd 2021 9:16 pm

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986624)

Not sure what the donkey sanctuary woman is doing. She's been here since the start of the year, if she really wanted residency she had to apply for a visa while she was in the UK (which wasn't possible anyway due to Covid).

mikelincs Mar 22nd 2021 10:21 pm

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986624)

It all boils down to the fact that many voting 'leave' did so thinking that things would affect only those wanting to come to the UK, but it wouldn't affect the brits wanting to move to EU countries or those already living illegally there.

agree_to_disagree Mar 22nd 2021 10:35 pm

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For the life of me I cannot even understand why someone who had left the UK to start a new life in Spain, would vote for Brexit.

Appears to be a complete contradiction to me...

I like the rest of all you who have left the UK and taken up residency here in Spain, can still vote in UK referenda and elections, FOR 15 YEARS, after we left!

DaveLovesDee Mar 23rd 2021 12:18 am

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986770)
For the life of me I cannot even understand why someone who had left the UK to start a new life in Spain, would vote for Brexit.

Appears to be a complete contradiction to me...

I like the rest of all you who have left the UK and taken up residency here in Spain, can still vote in UK referenda and elections, FOR 15 YEARS, after we left!

They were told illegal immigrants and EU workers were coming to the UK to steal jobs and claim benefits...

Many of those in Spain who voted Leave are likely some of the same ones who are illegal migrants 'under the radar' in Spain.

Ironic, if that's the case...

Lou71 Mar 23rd 2021 12:36 am

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986770)
For the life of me I cannot even understand why someone who had left the UK to start a new life in Spain, would vote for Brexit.

Appears to be a complete contradiction to me...

I like the rest of all you who have left the UK and taken up residency here in Spain, can still vote in UK referenda and elections, FOR 15 YEARS, after we left!

I agree, it's a bit like shooting yourself in both feet.

I would imagine there are a lot of UK nationals like me who are fortunate enough to have Irish passports.

As for the future, I think you will see a very different type of UK national moving to Spain ie wealthy, professional people.

mikelincs Mar 23rd 2021 12:46 am

Re: Under the radar? Be afraid, (some) be VERY afraid!
 

Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986770)
For the life of me I cannot even understand why someone who had left the UK to start a new life in Spain, would vote for Brexit.

Appears to be a complete contradiction to me...

I like the rest of all you who have left the UK and taken up residency here in Spain, can still vote in UK referenda and elections, FOR 15 YEARS, after we left!

The current government said in the budget that the 15 year rule would be scrapped.

Mustard Mar 23rd 2021 12:48 am

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12986817)
The current government said in the budget that the 15 year rule would be scrapped.

Have you any idea why they have decided to scrap the rule?

mikelincs Mar 23rd 2021 12:55 am

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 12986819)
Have you any idea why they have decided to scrap the rule?

who knows why this government does anything, BUT, it has been on the cards for a number of years, and has never got past the mentioning it phase.

agree_to_disagree Mar 23rd 2021 1:20 am

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https://www.thelocal.es/20210304/15-...-uk-elections/

They are going to scrap the time limit on voting which is 15 years, so it becomes indefinite entitlement to vote, not scrap the right to vote entirely.

Red Eric Mar 23rd 2021 1:53 am

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 12986819)
Have you any idea why they have decided to scrap the rule?

It's to remove the limit, so long-term emigrants would have a right to vote in UK elections for life.

Just guessing here but I'd say it's possibly because they think more of the types who'd exercise the option would be Conservative voters. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done some homework on that score.

They're also proposing to introduce obligatory in-person voter photo id on some spurious excuse about voter fraud, which is at such vanishingly low levels as to be of no concern whatsoever and therefore fairly obviously has an ulterior motive, which isn't too difficult to guess at given who is more likely to already possess acceptable photo id than not.

Red Eric Mar 23rd 2021 1:57 am

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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree (Post 12986770)
For the life of me I cannot even understand why someone who had left the UK to start a new life in Spain, would vote for Brexit.

Appears to be a complete contradiction to me...

There are quite a number regularly contributing on this forum.

DaveLovesDee Mar 23rd 2021 2:06 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12986849)
It's to remove the limit, so long-term emigrants would have a right to vote in UK elections for life.

Just guessing here but I'd say it's possibly because they think more of the types who'd exercise the option would be Conservative voters. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done some homework on that score.

They're also proposing to introduce obligatory in-person voter photo id on some spurious excuse about voter fraud, which is at such vanishingly low levels as to be of no concern whatsoever and therefore fairly obviously has an ulterior motive, which isn't too difficult to guess at given who is more likely to already possess acceptable photo id than not.

And not forgetting the gerrymandering of constituency boundaries.

scrubbedexpat147 Mar 30th 2021 2:32 am

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So there will be no mass deportations after all according to the Spanish government. Well find out this week what will happen to expired British. Probably nothing at all lol

spainrico Mar 30th 2021 2:40 am

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Yes, I saw the Spanish government looking to play it down.


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