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Here is another free tv channel for Eastenders and some UKTV.... http://www.rte.ie .. http://www.rte.ie/live/

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that is all about showing football in the pub .it says it is subject to copyright
yes it is - to no ones surprise - but that got nothing to do with what was the original reference ...and this is the IMPORTANT PART for us in spain
In its judgment delivered today, the Court of Justice holds that national legislation which
prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to
provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual
property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums.

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these along with TV3 are geolocked for IRELAND

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Although the judgement is about a Pub it also states that it is a breach of copywrite relating to any recorded content.

Therefore I assume that retransmitting any recorded material and most TV is recorded before broadcast is a breach of copywrite.

However if the broadcaster has paid for the copywrite then that should be OK.

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that point was not why it was refered to the ECJ that was is it legal in a single market to buy LEGALLY a product in one country and use it in another
the court said YES .which mean BUY SKY LEGALLY IN ENGLAND and you can LEGALLY watch it in SPAIN ... the point on copyright was made to tie up the jundgement that any copyright material the ´´authors´´ must be paid as they would have been in the first EU country ..also that ties up with the latest ITV judgement which says the same ...what however is NOT legal is using a THIRD party to obtain say a SKY CARD ie you pay A here and he uses a postal address in the UK owned by B to get a card .But if you APPLY in the UK as youself and watch here that is NOW LEGAL ..

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This is why it is a tortoise and hare situation.
The hare rushes out and provides services by accident or by design (i.e. Iberia lobe) then sits back with a big grin.
But the tortoise has to spend time ensuring all their paperwork is in order, the lawyers have to do the same thing before proceeding with a court case.
The court case takes time because it is so clogged with other actions like Illegal Immigrants flexing thei Human Rights, then after much deliberation it goes to the Supreme Court, who (rightly IMO) then ask the more than clogged European Court for a deliberation as it effects people in more than one country and could impinge on other countries legal systems.

So in a nutshell, a 20 day spurt by tortoise gives him the opportunity to take money from consumers for 3-4++ years.
but that will all end when the owners of the copyrighted material get the new satellite in position without the Iberian, or any other, lobe.

but as has already been discussed, it could be breech of contract to take up a subscription to Sky UK from your brother's house in Scunthorpe for use in Spain. That surely would be deception as you did it with the intent of deceiving the service provider as to your location.

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That surely would be deception as you did it with the intent of deceiving the service provider as to your location.

Agree! But there is no financial gain and in the case of SKY they don't want to know.

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Actually it does involve financial gain - for Sky.

I wish someone would deceive me by sending me some money!

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Well, yes. If you look at it that way:rofl:

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thank you for the crumb.
but there is a pecunary advantage obtained, in that something was gained by that deception - although not actual financial gain there is a gain obtained of copyrighted material in an area not licenced to receive it, where it is being downloaded/copied.

As to Sky, remember they are 100% into the Numbers Game with other providers - so what if 20% of their viewers are outside the realm, they still pay us money, and as a re-broadcaster we haven't had a complaint from Ecclestone or others that their copyrighted material is being misused.
But wait until the new sats come on line and people start cancelling their subscriptions
:rofl:

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Why?
Most of the Sky pay channels are expected to be on the European beam, like they have been in the past, and so still easily available in Spain. So no reason to cancel a subscription, as it is expected that most Sky pay channels will still be able to be received.

Or are these people who believe, or have been told by "installers" that BBC ITV C4 and Five still require a Sky subscription to watch, even though some of these channels have been free to air, and subscription free for over 10 years!

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my apologies, thought they had been lumped in with the BBC/ITV group - will check next time, but as I don't have a dish not of much interest to me, perhaps one day ....... :)

I do read your advice here and elsewhere with interest as it does at times seem to go contrary to the "know-it-alls", especially those who seem to have their own agenda with regard to IP blockers, rebroadcasters and the like.

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The big issue with all this is that no one knows for sure how the sky and freesat channles will be distributed over the three satelites once 2E is up and running - if anyone says reception WILL be so and so then they are guessing. All we know is that the 2E sat is supposed to be very similar to 2F and on that basis there are preictions of doom and gloom in certain parts of spain and celebration in others.

HOWEVER despite the close similarities in the specs of 2E and 2F that does not mean the footprints (reception areas) will be identical - in fact it will take only a fraction of a mm difference in the depolyment of the antenna on the new sat to give a markedly different footprlint on the ground - and that could mean whole new regions out in the cold or whole currently cold regions will be better off - we simply dont know - and no one does until the 2E sat is up and running.

If you want to think aboout how subtle these reception footplrints are, consider this - when 2F took over the Channels 5 channels earlier, the Valencia region was hardly changed yet the Barcelona area lost reception amost totally - and this despite it being nearer the intended UK spot and closer to the beam axis!!!. This predicion game is fraught - don't get caught up in it - just wait and see.

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if you take a SKY card out in the UK at this point in time there are no mind reading devices in my local CURRY branch .if i sign a contract in there and use ´´a handy´´ UK address (my great aunt fanny) then i havent broken any civil contract ... if then if i under the ECJ judgement i then take the card on a tour of all the 27 European members ,waving at the lack of border posts or anyone asking for my passport from the border of russia to the tip of italy ,then i cant see then saying ´´sorry mate you can come and live and work in this country but you have to leave your SKY CARD at home... laws change and at last the law makers have allowed free viewing in EUROPE..

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sorry i offer FULL British channels via officall links AND SKY via the internet .i stopped doing satellite TV after 20 years last year ...
i live in tenerife,we lost half of the sky channels a few months back,so maybe we are ahead of yourself as to the future way of viewing