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i have written to the main ´rebroadcasters´that is companies that take money to allow people via the internet to watch BBC/ITV here in spain .upon the recent judgement ´´broadcasters may prohibit the retransmission of their programmes by another company via the internet´´
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/d...cp130025en.pdf
i have my reading of the ruling and others have theres.
BUT i find it very poor practice that NONE of them have bothered to put a statement out ,while still taking money from OAPs up and down the kingdom
FILMON have however done so .."Unfortunately due to a recent European court ruling, services such as ours have had to restrict the viewing of certain channels to their respective countries, therefore the only UK TV channels available will be the 4 main terrestrial channels.
anyone out there better connected then me get a ´no comment´´

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This is taken from another forum and refers to Filmon, the I is not me.

I emailed them and marked it "urgent" - got a reply within 10 minutes saying that only UK viewers are now allowed access to the UK channels!! So it´s all over for us ex pats now on that site, I use expatshield now.

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yes fred it seems for a doggy company they have been upfront ..the ones in spain i think are being at best evasive

anyone got anything out of
http://www.europa-network.com/

DIRECT TELECOM ...mike broeckaert director where are you !!!
tried again today to get answer from them regarding e C-607/11
but not available for comment and ´will be busy all day ´´ for a telecoms company not easy to get an answer out of them .but im sure they are still taking money from the public .at least there will be a record that they were made aware of the case and that a future defense of we didnt know can not be used

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Filmon isn't a dodgy company and they do abide by the law, which is why they have stopped. The rebroadcasters are and have always been acting illegally, so naturally they are unlikely to reply to your e mails, I assume they will continue as usual, then get shut down, then reopen under a different name again. This was always happening when we were in Spain, and we usually didn't have to get a new contract. depends on just what the authorities do, whether they confiscate all their equipment and remove the dishes etc.

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soorry maybe i sould be clearer or you are not adding the once ´clean ´´ english
telecos in with the doggy rebrodcasters of old ..i mean people like EUROPA who offer TV and cheap calls.
as for FILMON
...ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox got a step closer today to shutting down Alki David’s online streaming of their shows. Judge George Wu granted the networks their mutually desired tentative preliminary injunction against the digital entrepreneur’s service this afternoon, Deadline has learned. While that doesn’t mean it is shut down as of right now, it does means it could be in select areas with the federal judge’s final ruling, which is expected next week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Wu

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There will always be new ones starting up and being closed down, there are rebroadcasters from all over in Spain, Dutch, German and others, close one another will start up, and that's because they can access programmes from the satellites, rulings in the US will not affect UK TV being rebroadcast, and if you pay to join Filmon then I suspect that may well continue. You obviously have a specific agenda given your avatar, and your last post comes quite close to being an advert.

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And Judge Wu has strong words against what was decided there. For instance in his tentative ruling, he writes:
"Very few people gather around their oscilloscopes to admire the sinusoidal waves of a television broadcast transmission. People are interested in watching the performance of the work. And it is the public performance of the copyrighted work with which the Copyright Act, by its express language, is concerned. Thus, Cablevision's focus on the uniqueness of the individual copy from which a transmission is made is misplaced."
"But Congress has rejected that mode of reasoning in this context. The equivalency between (1) what individuals could lawfully do for themselves and (2) what a commercial provider doing the same thing for a number of individuals could lawfully do, was the basis for the Supreme Court's cable television jurisprudence before the 1976 Copyright Act..
its amazing how this ruling is almost the same the ECJ judgement the other day which is not strange in its self because BOTH areas the EU and the US get the original text from the WTO ...

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Filmon is still working here in Gran Canaria..

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also from another forum:

Fresh email straight from the horse's mouth:

Hello,

Unfortunately we are no longer able to carry these channels. The only UK channels to be broadcast will be BBC1 and BBC Northern Ireland, ITV, Channel4 and Channel5. These will ONLY be available to view within the UK. If there is a chance to get them back, my boss will try his best!

Kindest regards,

FilmOn.com Support Team

Ticket Details
Ticket ID: EPH-530...
Department: FilmOn.com HDi IPTV
Type: Issue
Status: Open
Priority: Medium

And from Filmon's facebook page:

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You mean you've "become a thief".... Your post No.77, Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING
BBC/ITV ILLEGAL :D

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Always has been.. :lol:

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Can we please leave the legal issues to the ECB, the Spanish government and the rights holders rather than our opinions on the subject.

Let's just concentrate on what is or is not available to expats in Spain and how to access it, should you wish to do so, legally or otherwise.

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Saxy time for Specsavers ;)

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What'sit say at the end of the line then?

Just pulling your leg Fred ;)

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Working fine for me.:)

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yes i started this extra thred to get AN ANSWER from the ´english tv telco´s ´´ in SPAIN so far only FIlMON have made a statement (well TVKACHUP says we won the war ....signed from a padded cell) so they must thing they will get away with it...so why dont the others just say something ???? anyone ask there provider whats their statement ..

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Well ask them then, bet very few of them post on here, so a waste of time there..

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i think most people would have worked out that i did that to start with after the news first came out . no reply ...i was aiming at their customers who live in spain ..and again to find out more information from people here in spain

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I suspect that they can't be bothered to give you the standard "No Comment", that their lawyers would recommend.
As for FilmOn, their statement seems aimed at the commercial channels that have caused the problem. In other words....The sign that the English archers gave the French at Agincourt!

TVCatchup is still going!

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Had a phone call from Europa this morning trying to get me to sign up. I asked about the TV stations they offer and was told there legal experts are sorting it out and all the channels will be available in approx 6 weeks, needless to say I didn't sign up....

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There must be a misunderstanding there, as all channels advertised by Euoropa are working OK!!!

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Today Filmon is working ok..

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Europa did say that the channels were still on but there would be a lot of disruptions until their legal team had ironed all the problems out and that would take about 6 weeks, then everything would be up and running properly and COMPLETELY legal !!!!

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the ECJ has sent its ruling back to the EWHC who then take the RULING and THEN say ITV have won ...then my firend ITV will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My channels . And you will know My name is ITV when I lay My vengeance upon thee.

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maybe a reading of the RULING of the HIGHEST COURT IN EUROPE will make people relies that people like EUROPA have had it .left with no english channels and others doing much cheaper phone calls ..

""Television broadcasters may prohibit the retransmission of their programmes by another company via the internet""
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/d...cp130025en.pdf

FT.com
Websites that retransmit live television without permission from copyright holders are breaking the law, Europe’s highest court has ruled.
The landmark judgment gives ITV and other UK broadcasters the legal backing to block TV Catchup, a popular streaming website, from retransmitting their free-to-air content to its users.High quality global journalism requires investment.
The EU Court of Justice, which has the final say on copyright law in the EU, delivered its ruling after the UK High Court asked it for guidance on the dispute.

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We are well aware of what happened.
There's no point in being 'Barrack Room Lawyers' and no point in continuing with this!!
We will just have to wait and see.

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there is no doubt TVCATCHUP is toast !!! ...taking bets on the others ...:thumbdown::thumbdown:

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this is all really a regurgitation of the info on the other thread RE ECJ ruling.
but as to Filmon not being "dodgy" ??
what do you call a company that takes other people's products without paying and rebroadcast's them, charging unsuspecting people for the privelege to watch something that wasn't paid for.

Filmon is making about 99.9% profit on this, so if you are giving them £60/month they are making £54 on the deal, the rest is swallowed up on equipment and electricity costs etc.

There are too many people out there being gulled by these people, it was bound to come to a sticky end, but the general public are highly unlikely to be prosecuted - there are too many of them around the world from just about every country. To the originators it is enough to close down the re-broadcaster who will be the one seen (rightly) to have stopped the little pleasures of their customers.

Get over it, it is illegal, unless you have a contract with the original company.
(and that doesn't mean having a Sky card registered back home but used out here, that is open to prosecution for false pretences and fraud).

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as usual you have it the wrong way round - the commercial channels are fed up with spending £millions on buying film rights for their UK channels to find that some people in Spain and the rest of the world are getting it for free. That in itself puts the commercial companies theoretically in breach of the terms of their deal with the owners of the films etc.

but nice try John, its a sticky mess and will remain so whilst Govt and Providers move so slowly - moving quickly, at the same pace as those finding ways round the barriers put up, could lead to a fatal flaw in legislation that cannot be undone.

and I am still trying to find where it is in Human Rights legislation that people are entitled to watch something they used to have before they moved but don't get now.

perhaps you could start a campaign because the free bus pass I have from the UK doesn't work in Spain and I have to pay out here.
or hows about having to pay 10% of the prescription charge instead of getting for free.

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Why can they not extend this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Entertainment
charge the same as the UK license fee.We can all have 60cm dishes.Problem solved;)

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Get your facts right.

Using a Sky card out of the UK is only breach of contract and the only action that Sky or anyone else can legally take is to deactivate your card. If you think that is incorrect I suggest you read a Sky contract.

If you cannot get your legal facts correct, as I said before, please give it a rest on this subject.

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Misrepresentation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation

Misrepresentation Act 1967 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, which regulates English contract law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation_Act_1967

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_pretenses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_contract

I stand by my original statement here and elsewhere.
That the big guns will NOT be used by the likes of Sky against the little man in the street but, as you say, just switch off the card could in some terms without positive proof bounce back on them in the short term at least.

I am disappointed that a Moderator is trying to restrict free speech on this forum, even if he feels it is wrong
rgds

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@ Domino Are you aware that you are really coming over as a extremely sanctimonous person on this subject

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Doesn't he just!!!

I should also tell him ('cos he keeps on about it), that the Human Rights issue, didn't refer to watching TV, but the infringement of rights, if I was prevented from using a security program that hides my location!!
As for the commercial companies, they could take a leaf out of TVCatchup's book!.

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You are perfectly entitled to say what you like within the rules of this forum..

It's unfortunate that most of what you have been saying on this subject is incorrect.

As for Sky, as I said, I suggest you read their contract.

I will make no further comments on your postings. Others can make their own judgement on them.

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SKY doesn't care if ex-pats in Spain (or anywhere else) use the system. They would be happy to supply it but international agreements prevent them doing so. They turn a blind eye but will cut you off if it stares them in the face.

Once we were at the Volvo masters, Montecastillo andSKY had a marquee with live broadcast. At one point the presenter said at the end, come on down all you Brits we know you are all watching us on the coast.

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I wonder how many members of this forum are logged in using VPN and hiding their IP's from the Moderators, who use IP amongst other things to check things out.?

interesting that some seem to think that the internet is part of the Hoomun Rites Charter giving them what they want when they want for free.
So someone blocks them, they will go elsewhere and pay someone else to sneak in the back door and steal the goodies for them, whilst complaining that they have had their rights abused.

Take it or leave it, watch Corrie, TOWIE, BB, or whatever via the person who sells it to you the cheapest, but do not start griping because the owner of those programs stops you from getting them, just because you have paid the thief who passed them on to you.

I have seen some very interesting photo's of Spain posted by members of this forum, I will take them and use them to make my own profit, and that will be alright, cos I got it off the internet.

good nite all

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i will say this only once ....there is NO LAW in europe that states you HAVE TO allow any ´ commercial organisation´´ to know where you or your computer are located .there IS a ruling by the HIGHEST court in europe that you can watch SKY anywhere within the 27 AS LONG AS YOUR GOT THE CARD LEGALLY IN ONE OF THE MEMBER STATES .. [url]http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2011-10/cp110102en.pdf[/url
´´Location-Aware Browsing is always opt-in in Firefox. No location information is ever sent without your permission.

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FILMON told me on the phone this morning ´we are transmitting what we THINK we can .some broadcasters do not want THEIR channels on ANY other platform but their own ,so we cannot GUARANTEE ANY CHANNELS in the future RING FILMON LONDON on 0044 207 758 0690