this morning's online edition of Ideal is saying 77
http://www.ideal.es/granada/rc/20130...307242119.html
how many would it be for a high speed train ??

I hope that the Media in Spain is not putting out allegations of travelling 3 times the speed limit for there own benefit, I really am against unfounded evidence, especially where the media are involved.

The train was running 5 minutes late, in the UK your penalised for being late, is that the same in Spain ?

Safety has compromised it seems

I've seen reports of twice the normal speed approaching the curve - whether this is down to faulty signals, driver error or whatever, - we'll have to wait for the proper investigations. However many have already pointed out that this happened on a stretch just beyond the operation of the new ERTMS control system, and ERTMS would have prevented any such speeding. All will come out in investigations.
The train is neither an AVE nor a AVANT service, where there is a penalty for running late. On such a long route from Madrid to Ferrol, 5 minutes is really neither here nor there, which makes any speeding causing such a horrific accident so senseless.
It's already the worst rail accident in 40 years in Spain, and the numbers involved are large because today would have been the major festival of St James in Santiago. Understandably the festivities have been cancelled. Thoughts go with all those affected by this tragedy.

http://www.ideal.es/granada/rc/20130...307250011.html

is saying the speed limit on that curve was 80kph but the train was travelling at 160kph.
whatever it actually was travelling at this is the first accident on High Speed track.

BBC and UK media are reporting 3x the speed limit, and one British national injured. It's a horrifying story. There were initial reports of an explosion, which does seem to have been dropped.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0725/464...n-train-crash/

The accident is horrific enough. Imagine if it had entered the station at such a speed?

could that be a mix up tween kph and mph - difference being 5/8 ??

spain has a problem over train explosions due to ETA activity but surely that has now stopped

Yes, there were initial reports that it was 'like Madrid', but that seems to have been well and truly disproved. There were reorts of people nearby hearing 'an explosion' but that would, most likely, have been the start of the crash.

But how do we know at this moment it was not say 40 minutes 20 minutes earlier, its easy to say 5 min late, but it could have caught a lot of time up previously ?

Spot on, Yes it was minimal distance to the next station looking at the maps

Probably much more in common with the Valencian Metro tragedy just a few years ago.
There's still a lot of ongoing questions being asked about that one, but speed was believed to be the major factor.

The main power unit seems relatively undamaged, just lying on its side and it was reported last night that the two drivers survived, which raises the question how could it simply be human error with two drivers on board.

http://typicallyspanish.com/spain-ne..._tragedy.shtml

Scary!
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/25/...80_392391.html

if you look carefully you will see the first carriage/coach rising up at about 3secs into the video, then the explosion as it hit the overhead rails

Very strange if the driver admitted to doing 190kph unless he believed it was the result of something beyond his control.

Obviously a big question mark as to why the automatic speed control had not been installed on this very dangerous stretch of line when it was installed elsewhere.

Apparently it's normal practice for the driver to take control to enter the station itself, but on this particular stretch I would have thought it would apply.
More questions than answers at the minute and possibly a number of contributing factors, though many seem to have already jumped to the conclusion that it was solely down to driver error or negligence.