tax question
Sep 8th 2007, 4:36 pm
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Re: tax question
Hi Fred James,
Yes they do seem to have a crazy way of calculating the valor catastral, we bought our plot in Feb paying €130,000 for it and within a few weeks on the catastral website the value was listed as €30,000. I then tried to arrange to pay any taxes due but was told that it would take about 2 years for the Ayntamiento to list us as taxable. I have since read that you do not pay tax on a plot only on the house and land when it is finished.
We will have to register the house on the plot when it is complete and I suppose that will affect the catastral value but if they manage to stick to a 25% valuation I will not mind one bit.
Regards,
John.
Yes they do seem to have a crazy way of calculating the valor catastral, we bought our plot in Feb paying €130,000 for it and within a few weeks on the catastral website the value was listed as €30,000. I then tried to arrange to pay any taxes due but was told that it would take about 2 years for the Ayntamiento to list us as taxable. I have since read that you do not pay tax on a plot only on the house and land when it is finished.
We will have to register the house on the plot when it is complete and I suppose that will affect the catastral value but if they manage to stick to a 25% valuation I will not mind one bit.
Regards,
John.
It did take about 2 years to get the first bill and they had the nerve to fine us 20% because we paid it late!
We certainly never had a demand for the plot before it had a house on it.
Sep 8th 2007, 5:13 pm
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Re: tax question
John, was it an urban plot or a rustic plot? Ours is a rustic plot so has little value. We actually have an ajoining 1200m2 plot and the IBI on that i 1.02 Euros! I was surprised to get two denamns but that is probably because the % on the land is less than the % on the house.
It did take about 2 years to get the first bill and they had the nerve to fine us 20% because we paid it late!
We certainly never had a demand for the plot before it had a house on it.
It did take about 2 years to get the first bill and they had the nerve to fine us 20% because we paid it late!
We certainly never had a demand for the plot before it had a house on it.
It is on Costa Esuri which is urbanised rustic land with all the infrastucture provided by the developer Fadesa. Looks like the 2 years is about right then! I was chasing it so that I would not be fined but the Ayuntamiento did not want to know.
Regards,
John.
Sep 8th 2007, 5:17 pm
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Re: tax question
Hi Sotedtoo,
There are several sites where you can get into the information about your plot but this one is, as the kids say, wicked!
http://www.maps.data-spain.com/cadastral/
Regards,
John.
There are several sites where you can get into the information about your plot but this one is, as the kids say, wicked!
http://www.maps.data-spain.com/cadastral/
Regards,
John.
Sep 8th 2007, 5:22 pm
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Re: tax question
Hi Sotedtoo,
There are several sites where you can get into the information about your plot but this one is, as the kids say, wicked!
http://www.maps.data-spain.com/cadastral/
Regards,
John.
There are several sites where you can get into the information about your plot but this one is, as the kids say, wicked!
http://www.maps.data-spain.com/cadastral/
Regards,
John.
Hi John - I cannot see where the cadastral value is shown on website?
Sep 8th 2007, 6:42 pm
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Re: tax question
Sortedtoo and John, try this one - it seems quicker.
http://www.goolzoom.com/
You can access the Catasrtal details easily but I dont think you can access the Catastral values from any of these sites.
http://www.goolzoom.com/
You can access the Catasrtal details easily but I dont think you can access the Catastral values from any of these sites.
Sep 8th 2007, 8:12 pm
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Re: tax question
Sortedtoo and John, try this one - it seems quicker.
http://www.goolzoom.com/
You can access the Catasrtal details easily but I dont think you can access the Catastral values from any of these sites.
http://www.goolzoom.com/
You can access the Catasrtal details easily but I dont think you can access the Catastral values from any of these sites.
i'm sure someone said they had looked up their catastral value on web
Sep 9th 2007, 7:05 am
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Sep 9th 2007, 7:55 am
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Re: tax question
There is litttle rhyme nor reason for the way IBI is calculated.
Well that's not actually true because the tax is a given factor multiplied by the Catastral value. It's these figures that vary enormously from place to place.
We have 8000m2 of rustic land on which we built a house. The tax on the land is based on a factor of 0.7% of the catastral value which is 145 Euros (how I wish that's what I paid for it!). That makes 10 Euros.
The house has a Catastral value of 43000 Euros. The Urban IBI rate is 0.9% so I pay another 387 Euros. This value is a joke as the house cost nearly 8times that to build and is worth a lot more.
In other areas the Catastral value might be higher and the % rate lower.
Well that's not actually true because the tax is a given factor multiplied by the Catastral value. It's these figures that vary enormously from place to place.
We have 8000m2 of rustic land on which we built a house. The tax on the land is based on a factor of 0.7% of the catastral value which is 145 Euros (how I wish that's what I paid for it!). That makes 10 Euros.
The house has a Catastral value of 43000 Euros. The Urban IBI rate is 0.9% so I pay another 387 Euros. This value is a joke as the house cost nearly 8times that to build and is worth a lot more.
In other areas the Catastral value might be higher and the % rate lower.
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Sep 9th 2007, 5:42 pm
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Re: tax question
Am I right in thinking that catastral, is the area of land that you own and pay taxes on?
If so ours is a rural plot of 6000 sq mtrs, however the catastral number is the exact same as the further 3 properties that all have roughly the same size, in other words it was one huge plot that has been sub-divided by the builder/developer into 6000 sq mtr plots.
If this number is the same as the others (checked it with that link above) does that mean we pay tax on the one huge plot even though others also own it?
If so ours is a rural plot of 6000 sq mtrs, however the catastral number is the exact same as the further 3 properties that all have roughly the same size, in other words it was one huge plot that has been sub-divided by the builder/developer into 6000 sq mtr plots.
If this number is the same as the others (checked it with that link above) does that mean we pay tax on the one huge plot even though others also own it?
Sep 11th 2007, 9:52 pm
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Re: tax question
Wow! What large plots you all have!! 
Ours is only 508 sq m. (urban land)
We bought it last December, and we've had a catastral bill for the plot this year.
In fact, the people we bought it from, showed us the previous years' bills too.
It was about 21 Euros if memory serves me right
Ours is only 508 sq m. (urban land)
We bought it last December, and we've had a catastral bill for the plot this year.
In fact, the people we bought it from, showed us the previous years' bills too.
It was about 21 Euros if memory serves me right
Sep 12th 2007, 3:02 am
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Re: tax question
A further aspect to allow for is the 20% surcharge for not paying within the stipulated period, usually 3 months. Unfortunately, some town councils appear to make no effort to send out the initial demand prior to the payment period and you only receive notice once the surcharge is payable. This happens for example in Ayamonte, Huelva.
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Good to know that Ayamonte are dilatory in issuing their bills (to their advantage of course). CE is in that Ayuntamiento area and I have been trying to find out since January what our bill would be. We have a Cadastral value but they told us in July that it would take two years for the figures to come through. I will keep on the case in October when we are out next.
brisca, I understood from another site that you did not have to pay the tax on plots with no houses. Looks as though that was wrong! Maybe the owner thought that if the council did not bill like Ayamonte then there was no IBI for plots and when his first bill arrived after he had built his house it was truly the first bill and not a summation of outstanding bills + surcharges.
Regards,
John.
