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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365101)
Take another look at the picture.
The road around the island just ahead of the three lanes is too narrow to accept three cars at once. So three lanes are pointless It doesnt matter, quite often there are more lanes at the start of the roundabout than on it in Spain. You can go to either of the lanes on the roundabout from the 3 different starting positions It helps traffic filter because 3 cars at a time are coming onto the roundabout instead of 2 |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365101)
Take another look at the picture.
The road around the island just ahead of the three lanes is too narrow to accept three cars at once. So three lanes are pointless |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10365112)
There is a slip road at the bottom of the picture though isn't there?
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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 10365115)
Yes it looks like there is, so the 3rd lane does make sense
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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
In that photograph all the cars are in the inside lane ignoring the highway code.;)
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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10365112)
There is a slip road at the bottom of the picture though isn't there?
But the third lane is only 20 meters long and it is still 2 into 3 into 2 ideal for accidents of which there are many at that location.
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 10365127)
In that photograph all the cars are in the inside lane ignoring the highway code.;)
OK now look at the next picture from a km up the same road. There is the same situation traveling north but no slip road. However your views on the southbound would be appreciated. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...NDABOUT002.jpg |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365140)
However your views on the southbound would be appreciated. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...NDABOUT002.jpg I do not see how the Spanish highway code works. How can the car on the inside lane get to the outside lane if there is heavy traffic? Was the code written assuming only one lane roads entered roundabouts? Straying slightly I do find that motorway etiquette is better in Spain than the UK with drivers not hogging overtaking lanes. This may be because the traffic is lighter in Spain. |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365140)
Yes there is a turning at that point.
But the third lane is only 20 meters long and it is still 2 into 3 into 2 ideal for accidents of which there are many at that location. As to the second picture, I suspect that is there for future development, we have seen the same in various places in the UK where developers own the land adjacent to the roundabout but planners have stipulated there be a separate entrance so that the exit off the roundabout isn't impeded. |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10365157)
It only needs to be that long doesn't it? If you are going right then I doubt you will be too troubled by traffic coming from your left since they have to travel farther across the roundabout to get to their exit if they are travelling your way.
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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365162)
OK but it occurs the same in the 2nd picture when there is also a righthand slip lane provided when traveling south.
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Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 10365165)
No, I mean the second picture. I'll bet that within a couple of years the land next to it is developed.
However this has been like this for more than 5 years and I doubt there will be any development in the foreseeable future. The land is very close to the Gibraltar Oil Refinery for housing development and there is much more suitable land for industrial use. |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10365182)
Yes Matt that is when traveling north, I referred to southbound.
However this has been like this for more than 5 years and I doubt there will be any development in the foreseeable future. The land is very close to the Gibraltar Oil Refinery for housing development and there is much more suitable land for industrial use. |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
if as I suggested in Post 22 above that the problem is roundabouts, and the concensus is that you should stay in the outside (left hand lane) why is it that the most accidents are with people from the left hand lane being hit in their right side by a vehicle on their right ??
I have had several close shaves on this and can understand why Dick goes round and round several times - its self preservation and in the end desperation in looking for a way off. The worst accident I have seen so far has been a lorry in the righthand ploughing into the side of a car that cut across his bow. The Spanish seem confused when I stay at the back of a lorry and wait for him to get round the roundabout before overtaking, all too often they want at least 2 lanes. ` |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 10365108)
Yes I saw that
It doesnt matter, quite often there are more lanes at the start of the roundabout than on it in Spain. You can go to either of the lanes on the roundabout from the 3 different starting positions It helps traffic filter because 3 cars at a time are coming onto the roundabout instead of 2 Most of the roundabouts on the N340 'Highway of Death' west of Estepona are like this. Nobody seems to know which lane to get in although I have noticed that the middle of the three lanes is seldom used, probably because you risk getting 'sandwiched'. |
Re: Spanish crisis from a different point of view
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 10362726)
Well, I'm not going to bother with responding to every line of your post, since most of it is complete nonsense anyway.
I'm a big believer that Spain has enormous potential, but to dismiss the current situation as "sustainable" AND its inability to take control is simply dreamland. Forget 25% unemployment. If we were "socialist" it wouldn't matter - we'd all get paid a nice salary anyway. Who cares who pays for it? It's our right. Somebody else can pay for it. Forget that Spain continues in a downward spiral of growing debt to GDP, largely due to its increasing burdens of unemployment, increasing cost of borrowing, overvalued currency, and capital flight from its banks, whilst any attempts to mitigate these problems are met with severe resistance and public discontent from people like you, who argue that it's criminal to cut spending, and somehow reason that we'd be better off simply ignoring our problems in favour of widespread PR campaigns promoting how good everything is. Same thing that got us here in the first place. More of it isn't going to make it better. So, based on your short-sighted view, I'd have to agree we should be more like Venezuela, where such negativity is subject to prison sentences... ...or people vanishing completely. I'm sure nobody says anything bad about Venezuela (well, not in Venezuela, anyway). Spain 's problems started with privare and corporate borrowing and spending. Boom turned to bust -it always does. Property values fall, jobs vanish, paro bill rises. What's not to understand? |
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