Well, I'm not going to bother with responding to every line of your post, since most of it is complete nonsense anyway.

I'm a big believer that Spain has enormous potential, but to dismiss the current situation as "sustainable" AND its inability to take control is simply dreamland.

Forget 25% unemployment. If we were "socialist" it wouldn't matter - we'd all get paid a nice salary anyway. Who cares who pays for it? It's our right. Somebody else can pay for it.

Forget that Spain continues in a downward spiral of growing debt to GDP, largely due to its increasing burdens of unemployment, increasing cost of borrowing, overvalued currency, and capital flight from its banks, whilst any attempts to mitigate these problems are met with severe resistance and public discontent from people like you, who argue that it's criminal to cut spending, and somehow reason that we'd be better off simply ignoring our problems in favour of widespread PR campaigns promoting how good everything is. Same thing that got us here in the first place. More of it isn't going to make it better.

So, based on your short-sighted view, I'd have to agree we should be more like Venezuela, where such negativity is subject to prison sentences... ...or people vanishing completely. I'm sure nobody says anything bad about Venezuela (well, not in Venezuela, anyway).

I take note of the words of a well known member of BE, words that I think should be at the top of every page

I was also told, but you may correct me, that the definition of a road death in Spain ended once the casualty entered hospital.I.E. if they arrived at hospital alive but later died it was not classed as a road death.

Try these outdated statistics.

http://www.abd.org.uk/safest_roads.htm

or these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

The reason Spain has the highest number of organ donations is because you have to opt out of donating organs, not opt in. Consent is presumed. It's got nothing to do with road accidents.

Hmm... I wondered about that too.

After many years in the PR business, I was wondering why I'd never heard of this "multi-national PR company" Grant Thornton LLP

Right, then. Since they aren't a PR firm at all, and as a self-proclaimed PR expert having "worked for their competition", I'd have to believe that CMan also has never heard of them, which leads me to my next point;

Aside from that juicy little tidbit, exhibiting a lack of knowledge of the business, in addition to his history of telling whoppers, I think we can put this one to rest.

'night all.

You made the comment as a snipe at another poster, you do it all the time and then cry wolf when it causes grief. Thats not "expressing a view" on an expat forum, its deliberately trying to start a fight, or, if you like, Trolling.


Now, when you have decided to act like a grown up we can all move on with the discussion, OK? Good, well done.

woof woof
or is that
meow meow

personal attacks, if not me then Stevie, even had a go at Fred,
perhaps you should stop talking to yourself

go on get on your faceache and tell all your 40 "friends" about how big you are, as last time and the time before.

I will not back down to you son

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Attacked Steve? Really? Where? Fred? Really? Where?

I've often wondered why you are so aggressive and bitter, is it because you are stuck somewhere you are desperately trying to love? Is it because you are just generally unhappy with your lot in life or maybe its just because you post drunk, whatever it is it shows in many of your posts and its getting tiring, just when the forum settles down you kick off and start attacking people. Strange, as is calling a 40 year old bloke "son". It sort of shows how patronising and disrespectful you are, but hey, you got what you wanted, another thread hijacked and ruined. Well done. Well done.

Would just like to clear up one misconception:
*Jesus' birth date will never be truly known for sure.

It varies from late December to March. One well respected Jewish scholar (Geza Vermes in his book "The Nativity") suggests in the spring of the year 5BC.
As you will be aware, the Spanish celebrate it on 6th January.

That shouldn't, however, prevent us from celebrating it when we do; even though there is nothing mentioned in the bible of the 3 wise men being kings, or that there were donkeys, sheep & cattle in the stable.

The misconception isnt on my part, I have known about this for a long while.
Man has a nasty habit of destroying what went on before him, generally under the "victor writes the history" banner. The knocking off the heads of carvings, the painting over of murals etc.
The general concensus must be that he existed, but too many other factions did their best to ensure records were destroyed. But over 2000 years the information we have is quite good and a number of others of the time are recorded and known to have existed.
Dates are difficult because the record keeping there was wasn't as we would want it now. And several people have imposed their will in getting days added to the week, changing the base date and all sorts that it would be hard to pin down. That is why we are so out of sync with seasons.
However, I would assume that a census would not be carried out at that time of year, but as I say that is only an assumption.
So, using current dating we should perhaps be in 2018 or even 2020. That would please Rajoy as he would now be able to say the crisis is over.

But it makes for interesting reading, although at times I do think there is more to do in life than spend that life in nothing but proving such a date.

rgds

That is a very good point and something I believe that the UK is moving towards if not already done so. although I appreciate the benifits and need for organ donation, I am not sure I actually agree with having to opt out rather than in. I just feel that is a little bit devious for anything rather than being given the choice to opt in, which by the way I have by choice done.
Mind I suppose why ruin a good urban myth re Spanish drivers although I do wish they could lear how to use indicators! lol

a bit of lane discipline might also come in handy, especially when on roundabouts. That is where is have seen the most accidents, with people just not knowing (or is it caring) what the other drivers are doing.

"But it makes for interesting reading, although at times I do think there is more to do in life than spend that life in nothing but proving such a date".

Totally agree!!

Yes true roundabouts in Spain can be very confusing to say the least

yes, and thats for the Spanish, so how do guiri's like us with our heads wired the wrong way round manage