Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Europe > Spain
Reload this Page >

Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Wikiposts

Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Thread Tools
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 4:08 am
  #16  
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 553
notacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of lightnotacontrathinker is a glorious beacon of light
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by olivefarmer
Only because the ECB is in effect acting as guarantor. If/when that comes to an end then the rates will shoot up again. It is all a giant confidence trick. A Ponzi scheme the likes of which the world has not seen before with numbers that are so large 99.99% of people cannot understand them.. There will have to be a day of reckoning. At the moment it is in all the players interests to keep it going.
Best summed up by the words on a British banknote "I promise to pay the bearer...", which is the only thing differentiating it, from a piece of Andrex's finest.


(I assume it still does say that on a banknote ? I've been away awhile).
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 4:39 am
  #17  
Fredbargate's Avatar
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,759
From: Land of no recession
Fredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond reputeFredbargate has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by notacontrathinker
Best summed up by the words on a British banknote "I promise to pay the bearer...", which is the only thing differentiating it, from a piece of Andrex's finest.


(I assume it still does say that on a banknote ? I've been away awhile).
Yes it does

but there is no promise on Euro notes
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 5:44 am
  #18  
Retired in Euskadi's Avatar
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,101
From: Elorrio, Bizkaia
Retired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond reputeRetired in Euskadi has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by Biffta
I appreciate we've had many doom & gloom reports regarding the Spanish economy, but here's something from the Daily Telegraph dated 10th May which asserts that Spain is officially insolvent and advising people to get their money out!

http://tinyurl.com/bwqw44z

Only one person's opinion I realise, but still cause for concern.
I wouldn't panic; headlines such as Mr Warner's sell newspapers.
There was nothing in the Financial Times, or even in El Pais. After all, many economists in such newspapers were predicting the fall of the Euro a year ago.
None of them can predict what's going to happen tomorrow, so all you have to do is use your own common sense & experience.
Relax.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 5:49 am
  #19  
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 8,824
From: Living in a good place
jackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by bobd22
The only bit I see in the article mentioning UK is

"Spain has far and away the worst structural deficit of any advanced economy, including other such well known fiscal basket cases as the UK and the US"

Mind I don't see why someone warning and advising re safeguarding your money has to turn into a Spain v UK iissue.

One main issue from what is said rightly or wrongly is the main problem for Spain is costs of servicing it's debts with higher interest rates. At least UK has that in it's own destiny so far.
Yeah, just another pissing contest!
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 6:14 am
  #20  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,367
agoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
I wouldn't panic; headlines such as Mr Warner's sell newspapers.
.
I'm guessing it would have appeared in the Finance section of the paper, so you'd have needed to have bought the paper before you even saw the headline. Do you really believe people that don't normally buy the Telegraph would have rushed out and bought the paper even if they had seen the headline? The average man in the street in UK has very little, if any interest in Spain's financial woes, I doubt the headline had the circulation numbers shooting up.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 8:13 am
  #21  
HBG
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,753
From: Alicante province
HBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

I must admit that after many years in Spain, and after the Cyprus debacle followed by the foreign assets nonsense, I finally took stock and made myself as safe as I could, which basically means that I pay my taxes in the UK and have reverted to tourist status in Spain.

I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.

I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 8:56 am
  #22  
jimenato's Avatar
FreeThinker
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,702
From: the moors and levels
jimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by HBG
I must admit that after many years in Spain, and after the Cyprus debacle followed by the foreign assets nonsense, I finally took stock and made myself as safe as I could, which basically means that I pay my taxes in the UK and have reverted to tourist status in Spain.

I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.

I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
Would you be leaving a property behind?
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 9:02 am
  #23  
HBG
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,753
From: Alicante province
HBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by jimenato
Would you be leaving a property behind?
Yes, a holiday home. I suppose it could happen that I exceed the daft 183 day rule. I wonder what they'll do to me if they find out?

I hope it's not a hanging offence.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 9:15 am
  #24  
HBG
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,753
From: Alicante province
HBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Have you still got the pub, Jim?
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 7:00 pm
  #25  
jimenato's Avatar
FreeThinker
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,702
From: the moors and levels
jimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond reputejimenato has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by HBG
Have you still got the pub, Jim?
No - got bored with it. Jubilado!

What would worry me if I had a property (I don't) is that they could impose charges on it (is it called a lien?).

I'm fully legal (as far as I am aware) but some around here are saying that if they get the knock on the door they'll just bugger off back to the UK.

Which sounds like a plan unless you have a property they can do something with...
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 8:00 pm
  #26  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,367
agoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond reputeagoreira has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Seems Spain doesn't go much on the article! A brutal attack!
Cuando las noticias son malas...matar al mensajero
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html

Last edited by agoreira; May 11th 2013 at 8:11 pm.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 8:11 pm
  #27  
Beaverstate's Avatar
Joined on April fools day
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 10,644
From: 30 miles from a decent grocery store.
Beaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by agoreira
Seems Spain doesn't go much on the article! A brutal attack!
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html
Going by the opening statement that a British newspaper is "picking on" Spain does not put forward a position of strength.
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 10:36 pm
  #28  
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 8,824
From: Living in a good place
jackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond reputejackytoo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Some interesting comments...too many to read all
 
Old May 11th 2013 | 10:47 pm
  #29  
steviedeluxe's Avatar
Not Banned (yet)
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,404
From: East Sussex
steviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond reputesteviedeluxe has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Seems the Telegraph has form in scare-mongering.
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?

 
Old May 11th 2013 | 11:06 pm
  #30  
Beaverstate's Avatar
Joined on April fools day
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 10,644
From: 30 miles from a decent grocery store.
Beaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond reputeBeaverstate has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Spain's insolvent - get your money out!

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
Seems the Telegraph has form in scare-mongering.
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?

http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploa...tor_thumb1.jpg
Informative yet 2 years out of date.
 


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Your Privacy Choices

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.