Spain's insolvent - get your money out!
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Only because the ECB is in effect acting as guarantor. If/when that comes to an end then the rates will shoot up again. It is all a giant confidence trick. A Ponzi scheme the likes of which the world has not seen before with numbers that are so large 99.99% of people cannot understand them.. There will have to be a day of reckoning. At the moment it is in all the players interests to keep it going.
(I assume it still does say that on a banknote ? I've been away awhile).
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I appreciate we've had many doom & gloom reports regarding the Spanish economy, but here's something from the Daily Telegraph dated 10th May which asserts that Spain is officially insolvent and advising people to get their money out!
http://tinyurl.com/bwqw44z
Only one person's opinion I realise, but still cause for concern.
http://tinyurl.com/bwqw44z
Only one person's opinion I realise, but still cause for concern.
There was nothing in the Financial Times, or even in El Pais. After all, many economists in such newspapers were predicting the fall of the Euro a year ago.
None of them can predict what's going to happen tomorrow, so all you have to do is use your own common sense & experience.
Relax.
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The only bit I see in the article mentioning UK is
"Spain has far and away the worst structural deficit of any advanced economy, including other such well known fiscal basket cases as the UK and the US"
Mind I don't see why someone warning and advising re safeguarding your money has to turn into a Spain v UK iissue.
One main issue from what is said rightly or wrongly is the main problem for Spain is costs of servicing it's debts with higher interest rates. At least UK has that in it's own destiny so far.
"Spain has far and away the worst structural deficit of any advanced economy, including other such well known fiscal basket cases as the UK and the US"
Mind I don't see why someone warning and advising re safeguarding your money has to turn into a Spain v UK iissue.
One main issue from what is said rightly or wrongly is the main problem for Spain is costs of servicing it's debts with higher interest rates. At least UK has that in it's own destiny so far.
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I'm guessing it would have appeared in the Finance section of the paper, so you'd have needed to have bought the paper before you even saw the headline. Do you really believe people that don't normally buy the Telegraph would have rushed out and bought the paper even if they had seen the headline? The average man in the street in UK has very little, if any interest in Spain's financial woes, I doubt the headline had the circulation numbers shooting up.
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I must admit that after many years in Spain, and after the Cyprus debacle followed by the foreign assets nonsense, I finally took stock and made myself as safe as I could, which basically means that I pay my taxes in the UK and have reverted to tourist status in Spain.
I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.
I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.
I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
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I must admit that after many years in Spain, and after the Cyprus debacle followed by the foreign assets nonsense, I finally took stock and made myself as safe as I could, which basically means that I pay my taxes in the UK and have reverted to tourist status in Spain.
I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.
I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
I've got no idea what the future may hold, but I'm strangely content with my new status. If the wheel comes off, the dogs are chipped and have their passports up to date. I might leave my Spanish car behind, I can get the same one in the UK for half the price and with the steering wheel on the right side.
I've had a good run and don't regret a minute of it.
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Have you still got the pub, Jim?
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No - got bored with it. Jubilado!
What would worry me if I had a property (I don't) is that they could impose charges on it (is it called a lien?).
I'm fully legal (as far as I am aware) but some around here are saying that if they get the knock on the door they'll just bugger off back to the UK.
Which sounds like a plan unless you have a property they can do something with...

What would worry me if I had a property (I don't) is that they could impose charges on it (is it called a lien?).
I'm fully legal (as far as I am aware) but some around here are saying that if they get the knock on the door they'll just bugger off back to the UK.
Which sounds like a plan unless you have a property they can do something with...
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Seems Spain doesn't go much on the article! A brutal attack!
Cuando las noticias son malas...matar al mensajero
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html
Cuando las noticias son malas...matar al mensajero
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html
Last edited by agoreira; May 11th 2013 at 8:11 pm.
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Seems Spain doesn't go much on the article! A brutal attack!
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html
http://www.abc.es/economia/20130511/...305111819.html
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Some interesting comments...too many to read all
#29
Seems the Telegraph has form in scare-mongering.
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?
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Seems the Telegraph has form in scare-mongering.
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?
http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploa...tor_thumb1.jpg
In May last year they told us Hollande in France only had 10 weeks to avert a catastrophe. They've learnt though - this time no deadline...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...nd-crisis.html
Still there is no doubt that Spain along with many other countries has debt. But hasn't that been fairly common throughout much of the 20th century?
What's more worrying - banking debt or private company debt?
http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploa...tor_thumb1.jpg



