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It is easier to spot a benefit cheat, than a dax dodger.

If the people you know are on paye how do you tell if they are not paying the correct tax:confused:

Not that I would shop either, but your logic is off kilter.

Why should the reporting of any crime depend on reporting another just to even things up?

Thank heavens the world does not function like that.

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is that a new track on some online gaming thingy ? ?
whats it called "Ideal World" or "MeMe's World ? ?

IME people will try dropping anyone one in it so they can be oh so sanctimonious about it all, nudge nudge wink wink - usually when they have a little thing to hide themselves, but it deflects the interest from them.

What I can never get my head round is that so many seem to be so blatant about it, buying a round of drinks after work and saying "This one's on the benefit people" and laughing.

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According to HMRC, the UK "tax gap" for the same year, 2010/11 (ie the difference between the total amount of tax collected and the theoretical liability) was £32 bn - about a quarter of the UK deficit.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/mtg-2012.pdf


There was an article in last week's Sunday Times about the measures being taken by the Revenue to collect information on tax evaders, including paying rewards for informers (not paid until a successful prosecution has taken place). Apparently they are doing a roaring trade with people in the throes of acrimonious divorces, etc. They don't care what the motivation of the people providing the information is, as long as it checks out.

Maybe Hacienda in Spain should start doing the same? Heaven alone knows what the Spanish equivalent of the "tax gap" would be.

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Interesting statistics, or should I say Guesstimates ?

They may appear to missing quite a lot of money, but if the overall estimate of close on 94% collected is correct,then I don't think they're doing so badly.

As you say,I expect the equivalent Guesstimate for Spain would be something of a shocker.

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Tax evaders won't be prosecuted... and will stay anonymous: HMRC refuses to name 500 Britons on 'Lagarde List'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arde-List.html

Isnt that the same person who made a balls up of running the Border and Immigration Authority ??

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Nothing new there.
That has been the system for at least fifty years I am aware of, under all Govts.and probably a long time before that.

There is method in their madness.
Firstly, not only will those who have cheated have to pay up whatever sum the I.R. says they avoided which they always estimate well on the high side, but also a further penalty sum on top, so at the end of the day the Revenue are well into pocket.
Now that only applies to what are comparitively small fry by todays standards involving sums of less than 25,000 sterling and for this lesser group of fiddlers it's only common sense not to throw away everything they have regained with long drawn out expensive Court cases.

Regarding the bigger fish they can still go for the jugular if they wish and not only hammer them for whatever sum they think fit, but a sizable penalty on top, plus criminal proceedings as well.

The thing to remember is that the Revenue can be right evil barstewards when it comes to the crunch, but by putting the frighteners on folk and convincing them to cough up bigtime, they save themselves and the country a hell of a lot of money, which in some cases could still be moved well beyond their reach and lost altogether.

OK the perpetrators may have avoided publicity, but they will have paid their penalty in full and more besides and will be fairly well guaranteed to stay within the system and pay their fair whack in future.
Court cases, Prison time, very expensive for genuine taxpayers.
Better make the dodgers suffer just as much by paying well over the odds and saving genuine taxpayers a hell of a lot of dough.

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Oh I know it has been a "behind closed doors" scenario almost for ever, in fact I have to give a shuddering laugh at the Millipede and cronies who shout about how the Tories are letting the wealthy buy their way out - as if it didnt happen when they had control of the purse strings, not that they had much control.

But as usual its the poorer peasants who have the fines etc levied on them, I know I did because I was angry with HMRC for the way they treated me over a couple of matters.
In that instance I paid by cash, including lots of coin, (an Inspector has to call in an accountant, they can't handle cash) and left an old white shirt with her as a present for being so "understanding".

As to prison time - if such people were tried, usually a slam-dunk so the court process won't take very long, then they should be made to pay for their time inside. Whats the current rate - £45k pa ??

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Tax cheats. People who live in Spain and rent their property back in the UK and don't declare to HMRC.
Business people who ask if you want an invoice nudge nudge wink wink.
In Spain people who pay workmen, gardeners and so on cash in hand and are ignorant of the laws which regulate work of that kind.
For your information there are more ways of paying tax than PAYE.
If you are one of those people who winge about benefit fraud and can't see that tax dodging costs me and you more and is equally wrong you need to get your head out of the Daily Mail. No logic involved there just basic fairness.

Who said anything about evening things up?
As for being easier to spot a benefit cheat than a tax dodger...not in my world.
You must mix with a different class of person:D Choose another bar to drink in:rofl:

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With tax law being what it is, it seems to me that technically, just about everyone could be proven guilty of tax avoidance, tax evasion, or outright fraud, on some little technicality, even if you never intended to do anything wrong.

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Forget innocent till proven guilty,..... as far as the I.R. are concerned you are guilty till proven innocent.

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You did, see below.

As for the rest of your post, I can't be bothered.

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Too much effort to think..we all get like that after a tough day on the golf course:lol:

And I didnt say it evened things up. Your words not mine.