Barbara Red lips

stop worrying .... no way you can change it!!

rugbymatt

Spain? America? Iran? China? The World?


It loathes me to say it but we are probably not even close to the edge of this global crap.

BAT7311

its called GERMANIA (from the roman latin name) not ´´greater germany´´ ,as that is
Großdeutschland which to a german is a ss panzer divison
the same as SWITZERLAND is Confoederatio Helvetica which again is latin (CH on back of cars ..
i wonder if SCOTLAND will be ´´rebublic de alba´´
and as for CATALONIA its only been in spain 300 years ,was free for a 1000 years before

Domino

Well "England" was free for 3-4000 years before the Romans came and Wales was free before the Romans as well.
but are you suggesting the decision of the burghers of the day wasnt made carefully, to give the state the comfort of being part of a larger organisation, for the future good of the people.?

things change, and perhaps all the member states of Italy will want to split up as well, after all that has only been one nation for 150 years or so.
or even Germany which has only been in its current single state for about 200 years, both being previously loosely connected states but not a sing government.

but bet Catalunia will want to retain certain "rights" over the travel etc in the remainder of Spain, without having to pay for the upkeep.

all about money, greed, power - the things that keep man getting up in the morning, the opportunity to go out and hit someone on the head with a club.

cricketman

That is not quite true

Spain was united by the Catholic Kings in the late 16thC. Spain has been a country since then, which is over 400 years ago

Until then Spain was always a network of kingdoms that were passed between the hands of different nobles - depending on marriages, wars etc

In fact, you can only really say that a country has become "free" when they can choose who they are rulled by, before then they are just peons to the landowners

rspltd

So since 1975 then!

Domino

not quite right either.......
the marriage of the Catholic Kings (Aragon and Castile) in 1469 (mid C15th) was seen as the start of the Spanish Kingdom but both kingdoms still operated seperately, even after the end of the Islamic Emirate in 1492 it wasnt until 1516 (early C16th) that Carlos I became the ruler of both states and started to bring things together....

As it was not until 1258 that the king of France formally relinquished his feudal lordship over the counties of the Principality of Catalonia to the king of Aragon James I, perhaps they should latch back on to France for comfort.

hth

BAT7311

no the celts were free until the ANGLO-SAXONS invaded (thats you the english) in the 600s .Only the UK has major border controls ,so i think your bit behind there .... if you take Catalunya out of spain you aint left with much .italy may split in two in the future but they still are all italians and germany is all germans ...the people in Catalunya are not Spanish they dont speak spanish,they dont even have spanish in the schools except as a second language .even the road crossings have different markings then the rest of spain...

jojojojojo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-of-Spain.html

Jo xx

steviedeluxe

The young folk here in Zaragoza are more concerned about the opening of their Apple store in the new shopping mall.

BAT7311

who cares i!! ts 28,000 people on a tiny bit of land.the town across the border has 70,000 in it .

BAT7311

Following the fall of Barcelona on 11 September 1714, the "special status" of the territories belonging to the former Crown of Aragon and its institutions was abolished by the Nueva Planta decrees, under which all its lands were incorporated to the Crown as provinces, within a united Spanish administration, as Spain moved towards a centralised government under the new Bourbon dynasty.

sounds to me like they were invaded by the spanish ...300 years ago ...
makes you laugh ppl banging on about the 28,000 British subjects on gibralter and how they should be allowed to flog cheap fags and electrics,
and then slag down 8,000,000 people for wanting to do the same ...total double standard,hope you dont do the same to the scots next year or they will be off into the rebulic of alba

Pit Bull.

The amount of bad press over the years over the housing scams in Spain has driven thousands upon thousands of would be buyers away, I don't know if this is to blame for Spains woes, but if it is, or has played any part, they only have themselves to blame.

BAT7311

the lack of housing in the uk and the mad asking prices for buildings that are falling apart being over 150 years old ,gave people large sums of money to spend in spain on very badly built dwellings .these complexes will turn back into dust over the next 50 years,as are some of those from the 60´s that i have been working on. my house was built in 1950 and is solid concrete and rock ....cost me nothing to buy.i m still here,those who brought ´with pool´´ have long gone back to the smog and crime .

rugbymatt

Strange days these.....