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Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 5309966)
It's not that I'm moaning NOW - I've ALWAYS said it shouldn't happen. Even the 2003 RWC was originally a 'joint' affair with NZ, until that row blew up.
The initiative should come from the IRB, not the other way round. All they have to do is say 'all future tournaments must be hosted entirely by one nation', and only allow 'bids' on that basis, and the problem will be solved. And by the way - what is the justification for having the Fiji v Canada match in Cardiff - on a Sunday lunchtime?? How many people will attend that in your view? I reckon less than 10,000. And apart from their 'big' games (v Oz and NZ respectively), 'home' matches for Wales (v Japan) and Scotland (v Romania) are clearly designed to make it easier for them to reach the QFs at the expense of 'smaller' rugby nations. It stinks, frankly......... And why give Cardiff a quarter-final that, because of the way the pools are drawn up, cannot possibly feature Wales? I refer you to my previous answer. It was about securing votes. FFR "bought" the WRU & SRU votes by giving them games. Originally, Wales wanted ALL their pool games based in Cardiff and a home quarter final (I believe the Scots wanted the same) Ã la RWC '91 & RWC '99 but the FFR flatly refused and the compromise was reached that Wales would be given four of the 48 games, of which Wales could only participate in two with the proviso that the quarter final could not feature Wales. Edinburgh only got two games - both featuring Scotland. As for the Fiji v Canada, it would exactly be a crowd puller wherever it was staged. If it had been in France it would have been in one of the smaller stadiums like St-Etienne, Bordeaux or Toulouse, all with stadiums of around 35,000. Here they get the chance to go out in one of Europe's premier stadiums, in a World Cup game. Also, the Welsh Rugby public are a generous lot and there will be many who won't be able to get tickets for the Australia game the previous day but would like to be in Cardiff for the atmosphere that weekend. I suspect many will take the opportunity to go to the Fiji-Canada game. If we limit it to one host nation it would become impractical for many nations - Wales, for example, would be unable to host it alone as they don't have the stadia. Similarly, Scotland would have a problem but not to the same degree. Even New Zealand are having to build or rebuild their stadiums to bring them up to spec for 2011 - I believe the rule is that they must have two stadia with 50,000 capacity. England could do it because of the football stadia, but Ireland would struggle. Of the big 10 nations, only England, Australia, South Africa, France, Argentina and Italy (both using football stadia) could host it right this second. NZ is upgrading to join that list in time for 2011. I'd personally like to see a Spain & Portugal joint bid for 2015 or an Italy bid. Maybe a Japan & Pacific Islands bid could be considered for 2019 or a Canada or USA bid. |
Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Fortaleza
(Post 5310086)
I refer you to my previous answer. It was about securing votes. FFR "bought" the WRU & SRU votes by giving them games. Originally, Wales wanted ALL their pool games based in Cardiff and a home quarter final (I believe the Scots wanted the same) Ã la RWC '91 & RWC '99 but the FFR flatly refused and the compromise was reached that Wales would be given four of the 48 games, of which Wales could only participate in two with the proviso that the quarter final could not feature Wales. Edinburgh only got two games - both featuring Scotland.
As for the Fiji v Canada, it would exactly be a crowd puller wherever it was staged. If it had been in France it would have been in one of the smaller stadiums like St-Etienne, Bordeaux or Toulouse, all with stadiums of around 35,000. Here they get the chance to go out in one of Europe's premier stadiums, in a World Cup game. Also, the Welsh Rugby public are a generous lot and there will be many who won't be able to get tickets for the Australia game the previous day but would like to be in Cardiff for the atmosphere that weekend. I suspect many will take the opportunity to go to the Fiji-Canada game. If we limit it to one host nation it would become impractical for many nations - Wales, for example, would be unable to host it alone as they don't have the stadia. Similarly, Scotland would have a problem but not to the same degree. Even New Zealand are having to build or rebuild their stadiums to bring them up to spec for 2011 - I believe the rule is that they must have two stadia with 50,000 capacity. England could do it because of the football stadia, but Ireland would struggle. Of the big 10 nations, only England, Australia, South Africa, France, Argentina and Italy (both using football stadia) could host it right this second. NZ is upgrading to join that list in time for 2011. I'd personally like to see a Spain & Portugal joint bid for 2015 or an Italy bid. Maybe a Japan & Pacific Islands bid could be considered for 2019 or a Canada or USA bid. Hence my suggestion - sole nations only to bid to host in future, by order of the IRB. Japan should have got 2011 (they could easily do it), so I hope they get 2015 but the usual politics will still be in force I have no doubt. By then I suppose it will be Europe's 'turn' again.... And it's not just stadia - how many hotel rooms are there in the main NZ locations where the matches will be played in 2011? (I'll give you a clue...... it's a much smaller number than you might imagine). How many restaurant covers? Japan would have been a wonderful choice - bringing the sport to a wider (and newer) audience, with superb stadiums, wonderful public transport, plenty of hotels and restaurants (although not the cheapest on the planet, admittedly). In 1987, NZ was OK because nobody went to it (it was like a minor sevens competition, numbers-of-visiting-fans-wise), but 2011? The place will collapse. Rambling whingeing rant over........ now I'm going to watch my team lose to the Boks tonight......... so be gentle with me in the morning...... |
Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 5310208)
You've confirmed my feelings with your use of the term "bought". I agree - that's exactly what happened.
Hence my suggestion - sole nations only to bid to host in future, by order of the IRB. Japan should have got 2011 (they could easily do it), so I hope they get 2015 but the usual politics will still be in force I have no doubt. By then I suppose it will be Europe's 'turn' again.... And it's not just stadia - how many hotel rooms are there in the main NZ locations where the matches will be played in 2011? (I'll give you a clue...... it's a much smaller number than you might imagine). How many restaurant covers? Japan would have been a wonderful choice - bringing the sport to a wider (and newer) audience, with superb stadiums, wonderful public transport, plenty of hotels and restaurants (although not the cheapest on the planet, admittedly). In 1987, NZ was OK because nobody went to it (it was like a minor sevens competition, numbers-of-visiting-fans-wise), but 2011? The place will collapse. Rambling whingeing rant over........ now I'm going to watch my team lose to the Boks tonight......... so be gentle with me in the morning...... I doubt it will go to Japan in 2015 as the TV people and Sponsors won't want two back-to-back world cups in that general area of the world - I know Japan and NZ are thousands of miles apart but there's only 3 hours difference in time zones between the two. It will be in Europe, SA or even Canada or States in 2015. I don't see it going to Japan until 2019 at least where they'll face comptetion from Argentina I would have thought |
Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Fortaleza
(Post 5310276)
Actually, we Welsh would prefer you to win tonight so that we don't have to win tomorrow against the Aussies - much rather an England Quarter than a SA one ;)
I doubt it will go to Japan in 2015 as the TV people and Sponsors won't want two back-to-back world cups in that general area of the world - I know Japan and NZ are thousands of miles apart but there's only 3 hours difference in time zones between the two. It will be in Europe, SA or even Canada or States in 2015. I don't see it going to Japan until 2019 at least where they'll face comptetion from Argentina I would have thought |
Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Pam Sarky
(Post 5310552)
Rugby league is on Sky sports tonight, why dont you watch a decent game for a change :lol::lol::rofl::rofl:
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Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Pam Sarky
(Post 5310552)
Rugby league is on Sky sports tonight, why dont you watch a decent game for a change :lol::lol::rofl::rofl:
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Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Pam Sarky
(Post 5310552)
Rugby league is on Sky sports tonight, why dont you watch a decent game for a change :lol::lol::rofl::rofl:
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Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 5294540)
Oi Fortaleza...........???!!!
Does my score of 40 not count? Or is it that I am a 'troll from the Middle East board who is so far up his own behind' and am therefore disqualified? And when do I get an apology from Rugbyprat for doubting my stats? (PS - From my side, I apologise for calling him a Kiwi - apparently he isn't, and I know how upsetting it can be to be mistaken for a NZer - now perhaps he can explain how ANYONE who ISN'T a Kiwi can support NZ!!!!!??????) I don't need to explain myself to you or anybody else, so why don't you stop PM'ing me and leave me the fu(k alone!? |
Re: Rugby Thread
You don't have to be a local to admire a team.
Look at Man U ... ah sorry, wrong sport ... back to the cock fight ... |
Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by Pam Sarky
(Post 5310552)
Rugby league is on Sky sports tonight, why dont you watch a decent game for a change :lol::lol::rofl::rofl:
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Re: Rugby Thread
My personal feelings aside, Robinson is a real shame.
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Re: Rugby Thread
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5310579)
I don`t trust men that keep bending over and chucking their balls through their legs.
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